'08 Te250 Bogs/stalls And Won't Start When Hot

Discussion in 'EFI/carb' started by emerson.biguns, Aug 16, 2011.

  1. emerson.biguns Husqvarna
    B Class

    Location:
    Tucson, AZ
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    had several TE250s
    Other Motorcycles:
    KTM 400XCF-W (now 450)
    I've got a new to me '08 TE250 (1k miles) that has some mods done to it. Looks like the O2 sensor is gone, not sure about mapping, I'll have to research it some more.

    It runs well when cool, but after it warms up it starts to bog. It will stall after riding some more and eventually won't start. After an extended cool down period it will restart and run some more, only to repeat the process.

    I can hear the fuel pump run normally (I think) when I turn the key on.

    The fan doesn't appear to run. I'm use to having a fun run when hot until turning the key off or until the radiator cools down.

    Any ideas of where to start?

    Thanks a bunch,

    John
  2. emerson.biguns Husqvarna
    B Class

    Location:
    Tucson, AZ
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    had several TE250s
    Other Motorcycles:
    KTM 400XCF-W (now 450)
    Does the temp sensor issue allow the bike to crank? Or is it an interlock, like the clutch safety? Mine would crank fine until I killed the battery.
  3. jxg Husqvarna
    AA Class

    Location:
    RI
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    '10 TE250
    have you checked your valves?
  4. emerson.biguns Husqvarna
    B Class

    Location:
    Tucson, AZ
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    had several TE250s
    Other Motorcycles:
    KTM 400XCF-W (now 450)
    That was one of my ideas as thought on the way home.

    I thought I remembered valves could cause this problem, but I can't remember why?

    It will be on my list of things to do and I'm embarrassed that I haven't done a thorough check on the bike after buying it and before riding it seriously.
  5. HUSKYnXJnWI Husqvarna
    AA Class

    Location:
    Central Wisconsin, USA
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    09TE450
    checking valve lash clearences would be good to do on a new to you bike.
    also for the problem- look at - intake leaks, coolant temp sensor, where is the idle set?- should be set 1900-2000. electrical: coil connections, battery connections....
  6. emerson.biguns Husqvarna
    B Class

    Location:
    Tucson, AZ
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    had several TE250s
    Other Motorcycles:
    KTM 400XCF-W (now 450)
    It just hit me. The fan not working would also indicate a bad temp sensor.

    Bike heats up. No fan. No ECU adjustment for temp increase.

    I'll pull the sensor and put a VOM across it and heat it up.
  7. HUSKYnXJnWI Husqvarna
    AA Class

    Location:
    Central Wisconsin, USA
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    09TE450
    You can leave the sensor in- just carefully follow the wires with pins (sewing pins work) into the electrical plug- they will make a connection- then put your "VOM" (multimeter: testing for ohms) leads accross the 2 pins- test cold- then test hot.
    .690 K Ohms ~some varience~ bike cold around 80'F (depending on your outside temps obviously)
    .162 K Ohms~some varience~ fan should come on around 208'F

    http://www.cafehusky.com/threads/coolant-temp-sensor-resistance-values-2009-te450.14513/
  8. brock Husqvarna
    AA Class

    Location:
    UK
    Two points:

    Check your valves. If they are tight as it gets hot they close up even more and it wont run.

    Check your water temp sender, just pull the connector off it when the bike wont run, if the bike runs fine then the sender is faulty (it reads hotter than the engine is so it shuts down the ECU to prevent a failure.)
    You can see it on ibeat with the graphs running as the temp reading skyrockets from cold.

    You need to get it on iBeat and check the settings, TPS and CO and fail history, you may be able to improve your performance too!
    Good luck.
    Alec
  9. emerson.biguns Husqvarna
    B Class

    Location:
    Tucson, AZ
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    had several TE250s
    Other Motorcycles:
    KTM 400XCF-W (now 450)
    Valves checked. Loose end of spec on all.

    Waiting for new temp sensor.

    Thanks for all the help,

    John
  10. shabbanz Husqvarna
    AA Class

    Location:
    new zealand
    Had same problem with my 09 310 it was the temp sensor when hot tells the engine its cold so dumps in more fuel and stalls bike.
    Should be good with new sensor.
  11. emerson.biguns Husqvarna
    B Class

    Location:
    Tucson, AZ
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    had several TE250s
    Other Motorcycles:
    KTM 400XCF-W (now 450)
    So, I installed a new temp sensor...

    And the problem remained. :banghead:

    Next step I re-installed the lambda probe... as I was clipping on the battery tender to the positive terminal I notice that it isn't tightened down. It appears to be doing OK now with the battery terminals tight and the lambda probe installed. I still need to do an extended test run to see if it is truly fixed. If it is, I'll remove the lambda probe again and see if it was the battery connection.

    Stay tuned.
  12. MontyCarlo Husqvarna
    A Class

    I have heard of the "power up" resistor that you plug in to replace the lambda probe failing, with similar symptoms. If it isn't the battery, I'd try a new power up plug.
  13. Ek37 Husqvarna

    did the fan turn on after you installed new temp sensor?
  14. JasonfromMN Husqvarna
    AA Class

    Location:
    MN
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    None right now :(
    Other Motorcycles:
    2013 Yamaha FZ6R
    did this get resolved?

    The 08's are kinda a bitch to start and need perfect TPS calibration and I think could use the JD Tuner to help with starting.