This is a fast sand track full of ruts Does Cairoli still ride a 350? http://vurbmoto.com/theatre/cairoli-mxon-helmet-cam/11220/
wow ... Think of all the 450s who have to swallow that ... This is like omg ... He has whipped all the 450s for how many yrs? He has single handily educated so many about motorcycle racing .... He's in the history books ... Apparently that deep-sand smack talk about 450 HP,... was just smack talk .... ... I mean, did the Berlin Wall really fall or was that smack talk also? When Shorty rode the 350 in SX and finished about the same as he did on a 450, and went back to the 450, and finished SX races about the same as he always finished ( top 10) AND after listening to Shorty talk about the bike, in a somewhat level headed adult way ... It was written in stone that the 350 can run with the 450s ... And that was a few yrs back ... Probably the first yr after the 350 won the MX1 racing in EU ... I bet the youngsters over in some of the other PRO racing forums still can't accept this as a racing fact ... Someone needs to develop the 310 Husky for this racing ... It's got the pedigree to be a winner also ....
It sure does, I think I've read where guys coming off of 250f bikes adapt to the 350 type bikes quicker becuz of being used to riding up against the limiter most of the time. Kailub Russell is riding one in GNCC, C Mullins hated it, and still has a shot at the title...... Doesn't Glenn K in Australia use a big bore 310, like a 340 or something?
Shorty said the stock 350 needed work to get more bottom end for SX racing ... And it had to be written like a 250 to keep the speed on the high side ... Not really a point and shoot bike as a 450 ... He said it was easier to handle in the whoops and it did not give up much out the gate either except maybe in sand ... That was ~3 yrs ago he rode one? The japan guys are totally ignoring this different sized bike ... For the woods \ Off road stuff ... The 310 platform are proven I'd say ... The Husky guys have either won it all or at least always placed well ... Not sure on Glenn ... I think I read that once but not sure ... In any size CCs, he's having success on the bike ...
check Herlings' MX2 250cc 4T times I think he physically and numerically beat all the MX1 bikes as well on that deep sand power robbing track. Light weight rider light weight machine, deep sand is like water, keep it light and float on and across the top. Cairoli weighs what? @ a buck 35.
is this the first time team usa has been beat in a long time or what. love seeing the post from the euros boys on facebook about how team usa sucks lol im sure well be seeing a euro champ in sx and mx in the upcomming seasons too NOT!
I think we had won 7 in a row ... Can't win'em all ... Don't know the final scores, but even if RV2 had been there, not sure if he could have pulled us to 1st or 2nd ...I think he has beat most if not all those riders in the past and he'll beat them in the future if healthy ... He put it on Roxen a$$ last year I remember ... Cairoli was crap last year and can't remember about that Herlings guy ... Not sure why RD5 did not finish better ... We know he can ride ... maybe the ktm suspension is overrated? I'm sure our guys put 100% into it so I'm happy for them ... They are young and will be back ... I'm not sure how well they got the bikes dialed in for that sand, rut course ... Let'm have a good time ... I'll be a different story next year .. ... We got the studs here in the states for MX outdoor racing ...
food for thought, its like racing against states over in that event, we have a huge advantage in numbers and pickings. food for thought it was a race on one of the regular FIM MXGP tracks not some odd pick for local advantage. food for thought it was won by Germany not the best pick for winning at the Lommel track either. food for thought our guys did get smoked no excuses they got beat that's it. food for thought feather weight TC222 on a KTM350(or so) and Herlings on a KTM250 were that fastest in the deeep sand. If we had MX of States, who do y'all think would win, Tx,Ca, Wa, Mi, Fl etc???, basically thats really what the MXoN is per capita. In a straight up EU+UK+AUS+NZ vs US match race series(on different tracks) the results would be interesting. 20 vs 20 , full gate of 40 MX1 and MX2 on the same gate, 2 motos or MX1 x2 and MX2 x2 PS food for thought a yearly average of 30% of our AMA MX/SX top ten riders are foreign Nationals with a few #1s in there as well. All that was just food for thought (as if you didnt know). PPS KTM is a an offroad/MX bike force to be rekoned with.
to be fair i seen the same kind of crap comming from american fans at the glen helen? race last year.. dont be a fool, act like youve been there before is what im gettin at. goes for everyone.
This race was a little eye opening for sure ... Those 250 guys were eating 450 lunches pretty much all day ... And apparently it is hard to get 3 good riders together from the same country and have them race well each time... Race 1 - MX1/MX2 1. Antonio Cairoli (ITA, KTM), 34:26.888; 2. Gautier Paulin (FRA, Kawasaki), +0:21.182; 3. Maximilian Nagl (GER, KTM), +0:28.933; 4. Clement Desalle (BEL, Suzuki), +0:38.741; 5. Ken Roczen (GER, KTM), +0:40.180; 6. Evgeny Bobryshev (RUS, Honda), +1:05.036; 7. Ryan Dungey (USA, KTM), +1:11.286; 8. Tommy Searle (GBR, Kawasaki), +1:38.040; 9. Marc de Reuver (NED, Kawasaki), +1:42.851; 10. Jeremy van Horebeek (BEL, KTM), +1:44.824; 11. Joshua Coppins (NZL, Yamaha), +1:59.621; 12. Rui Goncalves (POR, Honda), +2:00.412; 13. Martin Barr (IRL, Suzuki), +2:20.617; 14. Blake Baggett (USA, Kawasaki), -1 lap(s); 15. Glenn Coldenhoff (NED, KTM), -1 lap(s); Race 2 - MX2/Open 1. Jeffrey Herlings (NED, KTM), 34:41.619; 2. Tanel Leok (EST, Suzuki), +0:58.141; 3. Ken de Dycker (BEL, KTM), +1:00.358; 4. Ken Roczen (GER, KTM), +1:48.464; 5. Davide Guarneri (ITA, KTM), +2:27.689; 6. Blake Baggett (USA, Kawasaki), -1 lap(s); 7. Marcus Schiffer (GER, Suzuki), -1 lap(s); 8. Todd Waters (AUS, Suzuki), -1 lap(s); 9. Max Anstie (GBR, Honda), -1 lap(s); 10. Xavier Boog (FRA, Kawasaki), -1 lap(s); 11. Marvin Musquin (FRA, KTM), -1 lap(s); 12. Alexander Tonkov (RUS, Honda), -1 lap(s); 13. Luis Correia (POR, Yamaha), -1 lap(s); 14. Justin Barcia (USA, Honda), -1 lap(s); 15. Priit Rätsep (EST, KTM), -1 lap(s); Race 3 - MX1/Open 1. Antonio Cairoli (ITA, KTM), 35:00.015; 2. Jeffrey Herlings (NED, KTM), +0:03.037; 3. Justin Barcia (USA, Honda), +0:57.823; 4. Tanel Leok (EST, Suzuki), +1:23.257; 5. Ken de Dycker (BEL, KTM), +1:29.784; 6. Maximilian Nagl (GER, KTM), +1:37.774; 7. Clement Desalle (BEL, Suzuki), +1:49.089; 8. Gautier Paulin (FRA, Kawasaki), +1:56.647; 9. Ryan Dungey (USA, KTM), +2:00.599; 10. Rui Goncalves (POR, Honda), +2:08.575; The one USA podium in the last race helped greatly on the overall score... After 2 races United States was 5th. 12 Germany 3-4-5-9 17 Belgium 4-10-3-38 23 France 2-19-10-11 25 Netherlands 9-15-1-39 27 United States 7-14-6-14 31 Italy 1-37-5-25
Herlings was on a 350 - not a 250. The only racing that the US can be sure of dominating, is SX. Though, plenty of 'foreigners' do well at it. It's a dog and pony show, that has little to do with MX. I watch it, and respect the riders skills, but I don't place it anywhere near MX in my thoughts. It is, what it is. US MX, needs a bit less SX influence in it. And track variety. This year, to hear Matthes and co. go on and on about Washougal "needing new dirt", was a classic. Not all tracks should have the same, 'preferred' surface. MX is about the terrain / soil your given. Use what is there. The variety of tracks / surfaces in the GPs, breeds Motocrossers. I think it's time to step back from the "SXification of the US outdoors" - though, it's highly unlikely that will happen. Crap like people saying Cairoli 'should' go to the US, and 'should' do SX, is just that - crap. He's a Six Time World Champion, with a fair few National titles to his name as well. He's 28, and has no need to risk hurting himself in the circus that is SX - although he's said , quite often, he'd like to do it for fun. He'd never be allowed to do so - for fun only - the press / supposed fans, would never accept it for what it was. At the press conference at the European GP this year, in Italy, after he sealed the World Championship, he was asked the inevitable "when are you going to race in the US"? He just answered "They can come here". It was quietly put, but I'd say he's had his fill of such crap. At least a few Euros do go to a US National at times, during their breaks. DeSalles 2 + 2 in 2010 at Unadilla is a good case in point. His previous one at Washougal, was a 3 + 3o sopmething, after a prang. Ken DeDycker raced a stocker Yamaha out the back of a van at Hangtown got him in the top 10 overall. Marc DeRouver, a few years before, got 3rd and 30 somethingth, with hitting the wall of illness at Southwick. So, at least some GP riders make an effort - racing is still fun for them. I've suggested on other sites, when 'fans' have whinged about breaks in your racing, and they're 'bored', that perhaps some US racers might go do a GP or two, during said breaks. The hysteria / vitriol that generates, is hilarious, as people take offense at the same suggestion they make of the GP riders. Though, it's usually put as a 'demand' by most US fans and 'journalists'. As , I guess, this post may do. Even suggesting they may see some great racing, and expand their horizons a bit, by watching the GPs, generates 'upset'.
You make a lot of good point here ... Apparently the Bailey and Ward guys were pretty good riders ...
Ray Ray, I guess you needed to put up the MX Des Nations records out of a feeling of 'self defense'. That, plus the comment about Bailey and Ward. I don't know why you needed to do so - all I can think is you read something into my posting that was not there. Note : I know exactly the results records for the MX Des Nations - and I know of all the great MX Riders from the US - but I also know of all the Great riders from the rest of the World. And, I place World Championships at the top, over any National Championships. Always have, always will. No matter how much is spruiked about any National Championship. Your response is as if I had indulged in the typical US habit of saying "we Are the greatest", after each MX Des Nations, but, used with Germany / other countries in mind. I have not, and would not, come out with childish crap such as that. You don't read me above going on about Germany / GP riders 'slaughtering' the US team. They got beaten, in a one day event. A truly fantastic one day event, but that is all it's ever been. This year, your teams incredible run of luck, didn't stick with them - though, right up till the first quarter of the final moto, I expected the usual disasters to happen for the European teams. And your teams 'bad luck' this time, had no real effect on their results. Barcia finishing higher, would not have got the Chamberlain Trophy for the team. Go back over the last few years, and check results - more often than not, it's Euro teams in the lead, coming into the final moto, then disaster strikes. That's Motocross. S*** Happens. Your team always arrives on a mission, with probably the greatest MX mind orchestrating them - Roger Decoster. They get the job done. This year, the Germans avoided bad luck, And got the job done. No more, no less. They were getting the job done at Colorado, for example, untill Max Nagle went off the track (on a table top, I think), and that stopped Germany from winning. It happens. A side note: I read a lot of people - on other sites - trying to blame Barcia for Dungy's prang. Complete and utter BS. They both had the back kick and swap, pretty much in tandem - Barcia handled it. Dungey, didn't. Barcia, if he keeps his nose clean, and avoids serious injury, I feel, could become a true Great of US MX. You need a bit of Mongrel in you, to succeed, and he's got it. Very little fazes him. Sure, he's had some brain farts, but he young, and they are lessening. He was fantastic to watch at Lommel - though, a bit scary. This time, your team got beaten, yet, straight away, on sites Other Than Cafe Husky, people whined about it being a 'set up', with a track being used that would guarrantee 'victory for the Euros'. The VERY track that the US MX Des Nations first win came at. A track, that has been around for decades. And Roger DeCoster, knowing the track, and the calibre of riders that your team were going up against, got your team to Europe early, and had them riding sand tracks. As for your highlighted words about SX - yes, it's all about money, and it's As American as Apple Pie. It breeds great SX riders, but it, plus the artificialization of MX in the US (well everywhere, it has to be said), is not breeding enough future, hard core MXers, like Bailey and Ward. It's far from MX, and it is what it is - the one World Championship you have in the US. The one thing that truly delighted me, was Antonio Cairoli finally having the dark cloud of disaster off his back, and winning comprehensively. That, was fantastic. And that I was there, in person to see it, was wonderful. By the way - I had the use of a Nuda R for just over a week. We went from Zurich, to Munich, up to Nuremberg, up to Teutschenthal, for the last GP, then across to Berlin and then down for one day at the ISDE. Then, across to Lommel zig zaging to a few big cities / towns in Germany. Spent 3 days at Lommel, then followed the French / German border down to Basil, then across to Zurich. The Nuda R had the Husky accessory clear screen on it, an adjustable Brembo front mastercylinder - to make the front brake less viscous / more refined in feel, plus a Brembo Thumb brake, as I can't use a foot brake due to leg problems. A Lovely Akro' pipe on it, plus a very trick ECU my mate is developing, and, an aftermarket seat - it Really Needed that, with the long days we had on the bikes. I took the side boxes off that my mate had set it up with, as I was travelling light, and he had plenty of room in his GS's luggage. It probably ranks as one of the best bikes I have ever ridden. Fast, light, sit up positioning, with superb handling. With the way we kept off Autobahns / highways, we racked up over 3000Ks. I could not think of a better bike. If I didn't have more than enough bikes / bits to make other bikes, I'd buy one in an instant. In fact, a whole bunch of bits may be sacrificed to get one. It absolutely S***s on any of its competition - especially the KTMs I've ridden. It also happens to a great 'wheelie and big skid bike'. Fun, Fun , Fun. The addition of the Akro, but moreso, my mates ECU, felt like it had another 10 /15HP and much more torque, over the std Nuda Rs I have ridden - and they are Not slugs, by any means.
Not really about the results but feel as you please ... I was just looking at the historic results of this racing and the states and Belgium appear to stand up to the test of time for winning this race ... I have not payed much attention to this racing over the years and found some of the USA guys who I have heard of my life contributed so much to those winning streaks ... De Coster was there also ... No Heikki ... RV2 and RD5 are in place for a few more wins together...
