Harley-Davidson LiveWire Electric Motorcycle – First Ride

The government has always help fund new tech in gobs of different fields and is a big part of why we move forward and are innovators. You have to invest in new tech or it never happens. The media has just sold it to us that investing in our people and future is stupid and hype up taxes and spending. We could do nothing while every other developed country provide support to move forward and eat our lunch or we can get the breaks and support from our government and move forward like everyone else. Look at other developing countries and how much the government helps them. And remember that them (the people) is us and thats what "we the people" should get some of our money to develop new tech and be leaders. Electric powered everything is the new horizon and those that invest in the tech will be at the forefront. If and when we get off fossil fuel and stop handing boat loads of money to those that want to kill us this investment will make more sense. Energy and pharmaceutical / medical has always been funded big time as we know this is good investment for our future.

Yep, our local news station had a story about it this morning. Guess it'll be down my way for test rides soon.

That being said, I'm not gonna go outta my way to ride one. Them lectric motorcicles is the Devil !




Oh and 50 mile range???? You can't call it a Harley if it can't go more than that before you gotta find a charging station. Me thinks closer to a HARDLEY.

Where did I say I was a Liberal? And why would it matter? Still good investment for the future. Label me all you like I just believe we are better off with healthy, educated people who are armed with the ability to push things forward for our country and world. I personally am a fiscal conservative, have zero debt, don't buy out of my means, have a healthy savings. So what. The entire road system and rail system was a federal project because it had huge implications to the prosperity of our country. One of many examples of good use of the people's money and i think we can all agree key to out future. We have spent endless money on fossil fuel with tax cuts, research, infrastructure etc. Its just how it works. Tesla car company, who was subsidized by our government just announced they are going to freely let people use their substantial patents for E-cars for no other reason than to forward our position in this market. Cool move and will for sure move the E-cars forward faster. Other countries are subsidising there tech sectors even more than we are and their eating our lunch in some areas. I have no issue furthering our position using we the peoples money on we the people. But yeah, toss labels around to distract from the real conversation, those that are in power love that (divide and concor). Lets point fingers and label each other, that will fix stuff.

As for the rest I am no tree hugger. Own 9 bikes, ride all the time. Hell I drove 160 miles to clear 2 miles of trail last Sunday. My carbon footprint is huge but I have no issues being part of the solution if it presents itself. The next generation is going to be pretty pissed when they see what we have left them for a planet. Someone at some point will need to turn this around. So we can point fingers at each other or we can spend some money to try and move forward to better solutions for our transportation needs. IMHO.

Sorry you feel that way. We have great people in a great country and believe we will overcome whatever issues we have and remain a great country. I know you are a vet and I thank you for getting us this far. Don't loose hope, every generation looks down on the next. Remember the 60's free love hippy stoner generation? That generation turned out all this amazing digital tech we have today. My brother is 9 years older than me and part of that generation. Was a hippy stoner, now is a highly paid software engineer, retired 82nd airborne, and a heck of a person. We have tons of resources and good people, we will overcome. I believe in this country no matter what the media manipulates us with.

Those devices have chips in them made right across the river from me in huge multi campus locations. Intel is HUGE in this area. So made in the USA. Nike has a HUGE campus employing tons of people. Beaverton, USA. Microsoft is a 2.5 hour drive north, employs gobs of high level people making the worlds most used operating system and supporting software. In the USA. Sorry I can't see the doom and gloom that gets painted by our media 24/7. Everything in life is about perspective. Back to E-cars, Tesla is in your area, USA.

Makes no difference. And why would i be offended. Its not a swear word or bad. I dont dislike half of my country's people because they have a slightly different view on how to run things regardless of what perspective I have on the subject at hand. I hate when people say this. Half the men who gave everything for this country were part of one party or the other and I bet no one judged them based on a label while they pulled them from the battle field. Its just wrong in my book to use labels to divide us. In the end we all essentially want the same things.

Sad you feel that way. Its a generational thing. Some people just don't understand the change. I have three kids, 10,19,21 all have cell phones and connected like the next kid. All are well adjusted, smart, respectful and know WAY more than I ever did at that age because they have an encyclopaedia in their hand. The answer to any question is in your hand. Yes different than when we were kids but if you look deep enough it is not the end of the world in fact maybe a solution to a lot of things. Social media is even used for suppressed nations to get the word out and make changes. Like I said, its all about perspective and viewpoints. I don't see these devices as evil just the next phase in humanity. My 10 year old can program and is super efficient at using and understanding these devices and has a deeper understanding than I ever could have as she has WAY more available info in a format that is super interesting to her.

Done with the politics. Take care.

Excellent, please let the oil companies know ASAP.

Sadly, the US Govt. is doing it's level best to prevent private companies from doing the real work and basically brought the public land leasing process to a grinding halt. Almost all of the current oil discovery and field development is being performed by private interests on private lands. If the govt. powers that be would actually support domestic exploration, the cost of oil would drop, and supply would skyrocket.

Meanwhile our artificial "dependence" on foreign oil is being touted as the impetus to push hybrid and electric technology on the people as the only way out. Hey, that's all fine and dandy, but the truth is that we have all the oil we would ever need on this continent, but political and environmental propaganda has brainwashed people into believing otherwise.

The truth is that while the govt. is literally throwing tax payer dollars at alternative energy suppliers, electric vehicle start-ups, and "studies" to further their agenda, whole economies here in the good ol USA that supply coal for power are being killed off by same said political motivations.

These monies rarely have any strings attached in terms of performance guarantees, sustained viability of the business that these tax payer dollars are funding, or a mechanism that makes those rare successes actually responsible for paying any of the money back. Sure there's lots of taxes that can be levied, but also plenty of loopholes that make it easy to avoid said taxation.

I can tell you that my next car won't be one made after 1975-76. Paying for a smog cert just so I can still drive my "Green" car after 3 years of ownership and then possibly being forced to invest big $$$ to bring it up to snuff so it passes is total crap!

I could go on, but I want my blood pressure to stay down.