1. Husqvarna Motorcycles Made In Sweden - About 1988 and older

How about performance reeds?

Discussion in 'Vintage/Left Kickers' started by Bigbill, Sep 3, 2016.

  1. Bigbill Husqvarna
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    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    '83 250wr
    Other Motorcycles:
    0 right now
    How about upgrading to a better performance reeds?

    Now we have two different types of reeds. The 70's era with the detachable reed box which continued into the 80's on the AC 430's. The 80's 250/500cc had the reed box casted into the cylinder. Is there any upgrades besides installing boyzeen reeds? What's the best performance reeds we can use? For both applications?
  2. GaryM Husqvarna
    AA Class

    Location:
    Austin, Tx
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    1981 430cr second 430 CR 500cr
    Other Motorcycles:
    1981 490 Maico
    Really only two. Mossbarger and V force. Huskydogg had right to sell to north america but left vintage bikes last year. Andy has
    the V force now.

    I installing Mossbarger on my 430s and now have a set for the 500 build. Just really pleased on the 430s. Want to try a V force
    on the 430 to compare. The 500 is the reeds and new mounting block. 430 is a complete whole unit.

    Will be putting a V force on the 250 build , have to order those soon.

    Here is something I can not answer seems the Boyeson I have used i just don't know when they were made. All seem to old stock and what condition are they in being so aged ??
  3. Bigbill Husqvarna
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    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    '83 250wr
    Other Motorcycles:
    0 right now
    I have a mossbarger reed block setup for the earlier reeds. Now I just looked at Andys v force setup for the 430cr that you mentioned. I wonder which reed setup flows more?
  4. suprize Husqvarna
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    Location:
    Bendigo, Australia
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    WR 400, bike in a box Moto Villa 350
    Other Motorcycles:
    ktm 300
    "I wonder which reed setup flows more?"

    probably not much different, its in the petal thickness as to how they open which affects flow at different rpms. the two stage boysens give a kick in the low to mid as the small petals open quickly before the larger backing reeds open at mid to top end as per the stockers.
  5. justintendo klotz super techniplate junkie

    Location:
    mercer, pa/northwest pa
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    84 250,86 400,87 430,88 250,95 360
    Other Motorcycles:
    99 kawasaki zrx 1100
    i would bet the vforce setup out flows stock and the mossbarger. its quite a bit different than the stock cage, not just replacement petals.
  6. Kartwheel68 Husqvarna
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    Location:
    Newnan, Georgia
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    82 125XC, 250XC, 430XC, 430WR, 250CR
    Other Motorcycles:
    83 175WR , 76 250WR, 74 250 Mag
    Unless you are building an engine just for dyno pulls or road racing, increasing flow is irrelevant as even the stock setup flows more than enough. What you need from a reed is more precise control of the flow and better response time to the pulses. I have heard pretty negative stories about the the quality control on V Force reeds, the molded part is not flat and even with a paper gasket and sealant they have air leaks. Before Huskydoggg quit he gave me a V Force reed to try on my 430 but I have not installed it yet.
  7. Bigbill Husqvarna
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    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    '83 250wr
    Other Motorcycles:
    0 right now
    In the old Husqvarna late 70's reed block, the v force has double the reed pedals. Instead of four it has eight. Since there's no adjustment on the v force reeds if there's a gap in the pedals how do we close it up since we can't flip them? Maybe the mossbarger with the boysen reeds? I noticed that mossbarger doesn't offer the older husky reed replacements. They offer the four bolt reed replacements.

    So after hashing this around what's your hot setup?
  8. Kartwheel68 Husqvarna
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    Location:
    Newnan, Georgia
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    82 125XC, 250XC, 430XC, 430WR, 250CR
    Other Motorcycles:
    83 175WR , 76 250WR, 74 250 Mag
    If the V Force reeds are worn you replace the petals, which is what you should do on any reed, but what I was talking about is the gasket surface where the reed block mates to the cylinder.
  9. Bigbill Husqvarna
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    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    '83 250wr
    Other Motorcycles:
    0 right now
    The v force reeds do not seem to be removable, there's no screws. Can the gasket surface be filed flat to properly fit?

    The boysen reeds are a two stage reed. Is there an advantage to this. There's no movement limiter on the boysen reeds. I notice on some v force reeds the opening is limited. Are the reed petals made from a softer material so they open quicker on the v force reeds?
  10. Kartwheel68 Husqvarna
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    Location:
    Newnan, Georgia
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    82 125XC, 250XC, 430XC, 430WR, 250CR
    Other Motorcycles:
    83 175WR , 76 250WR, 74 250 Mag
    The reed petals are held in place by the outside collar, the inside case has raised posts that the petals sit on. Yes, the gasket surface must be sanded to make sure the surface is flat.
  11. crew67lm Husqvarna
    AA Class

    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    82 430CR
    Is the correct Boyesen part no.612 for 81-82 430CR's? And you need 2,right?
    Never seen a more confusing way to list what fits what.
  12. rancher1 Husqvarna
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    Location:
    WA
    Crew, there should be 2 in the boysen package.
  13. crew67lm Husqvarna
    AA Class

    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    82 430CR
    Right,and you need 4 reed petals to make a set for 1 engine.
    So you would need to get (2)part no.612's,I think(grin)
    Thanks
  14. Bigbill Husqvarna
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    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    '83 250wr
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    0 right now
    So I'll go with boysen reeds in the mossbarger reed block?
  15. GaryM Husqvarna
    AA Class

    Location:
    Austin, Tx
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    1981 430cr second 430 CR 500cr
    Other Motorcycles:
    1981 490 Maico
    Bill what ?? No. The Mossbarger has designed their own reeds. You engine bike building knowledge is amazing Bill

    Please build a bike now or today and then come back to us with answers based on experience and true feedback.

    Almost everything is just plane pulled out of somewhere.
  16. Joe Chod Husqvarna
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    Location:
    upstate NY
    ok ok ok all lighten up here

    and Bill. please many knowledgeable builders here who have been there and done that and still doing it. they do speak of what they know. so if you don't agree, please then just disregard them and build your bike the way you want to. it is that simple.

    Respectfully
    Joe
  17. Bigbill Husqvarna
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    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    '83 250wr
    Other Motorcycles:
    0 right now
    I'm miss understood here sorry. I'm looking for you guys input too. I checked mossbarger for new reeds for there late 70's /430 reed block they don't offer replacement reeds. The only choices I have is the boyzeen dual stage reeds or v force.
    I'll let you guys choose for me?

    I'm looking for what the best performing reed setup there is?

    Please no flame intended. I'll go away now.
  18. Kartwheel68 Husqvarna
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    Location:
    Newnan, Georgia
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    82 125XC, 250XC, 430XC, 430WR, 250CR
    Other Motorcycles:
    83 175WR , 76 250WR, 74 250 Mag
    My pick would be, unless your stock reeds are broken or otherwise damaged, leave it all stock. For many many years I assumed that anything aftermarket was automatically better than stock, no matter what brand the bike was or what kind of part it was. Through lots of trial and error and more error and flushing a truck load of money down the drain, I discovered the hard way that very few aftermarket parts are better than stock, most are worse. Unless a particular bike has a particular part that is of a poor design, in my opinion, you are always better off getting the bone stock bike dialed in perfectly instead of wasting effort, energy and money on aftermarket gimmicks.
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  19. suprize Husqvarna
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    Location:
    Bendigo, Australia
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    WR 400, bike in a box Moto Villa 350
    Other Motorcycles:
    ktm 300
    yep good advice. if its stock and your wringing its neck everywhere....by all means look for more go. I always tease the young guys on the 450's with the 1000 buck aftermarket exhaust..." so you can hold that flat out everywhere can you?"
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  20. watto450 Husqvarna
    AA Class

    Location:
    Australia
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    1965 250, 1978 390 Auto, 1983 510 TX
    I put a set of V Force in my Mag 250. I had been running the short factory reed block with Boyesen. I got my V Force from Huskydogg.. they were obviously modified "other bike" set up.. did not fit very well..had to massage the pyramids so that they would fit.. eventually got them to fit..the bike has noticeably more mid and up power.. once it gets underway..it really takes off.. there is no bottom end missing.. was it worth the work..?? I would now buy a set from Andy..no headache to install is a bonus.. Mossbarger on a 250 is too big...the air speed is lost ..and so is the HP.. Mossbarger on a 430..perfect..!!
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