1. Husqvarna Motorcycles Made In Sweden - About 1988 and older

lapping head to barrell and piston bore clearances

Discussion in 'Vintage Restoration Projects' started by Down Under XC, Mar 12, 2015.

  1. Down Under XC Husqvarna
    AA Class

    Location:
    Melbourne, Australia
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    XC250 83', WR250 87','XC150 10
    Other Motorcycles:
    WR165 10, 83 KDX 250,
    Hi guys,
    the XC 250 1983 I bought had a new head and has not been run, what is the procedure for lapping head to barrel.
    Also what clearances do you recommend for piston bore with the wossner, what they recommend ???
    Thanks in anticipation
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  2. justintendo klotz super techniplate junkie

    Location:
    mercer, pa/northwest pa
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    84 250,86 400,87 430,88 250,95 360
    Other Motorcycles:
    99 kawasaki zrx 1100
    what wossner recommends for the 250 is fine, or has worked for me at least.
    as for the lapping, pick up some lapping compound and apply a small amount to the top of the liner. set the head on, and using light hand pressure, twist back and forth a few times. wipe the compound clean enough to verify the compound has done its job. it will take 2 or 3 times but you want to see a somewhat uniform ring the whole way around the head, showing a good seal. you dont really want to do more than whats needed. after this is done clean it all up very well and reassemble. do not use any type of compound, just bare metal between head and jug. obviously you will need to pull the cylinder and head to perform this. good luck!

    oh, and you better get a rest for that kicker soldier! dont let that foot slip off!!
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  3. suprize Husqvarna
    Pro Class

    Location:
    Bendigo, Australia
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    WR 400, bike in a box Moto Villa 350
    Other Motorcycles:
    ktm 300
    check that the head bolts are not longer than the threads in the barrel....have seen them bottom out just on tight but allowing air in once hot with seizure:eek: . took 3 pistons to figure it out:thumbsdown:
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  4. hva-factory CH Sponsor

    Location:
    uk
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    Husqvarna 510TE , 300WR Etc...
    If in doubt, add 0.01m/m to the recommendation. Don't forget, that when a cylinder and piston are worn - it is usually by about 0.2 - 0.3 of a millimetre!!!

    In the UK - we think probably due to the recent lowering of fuel quality (10% of pretty much all UK fuel is now Ethanol), we have had reported to us a spate of 430 seizures - bikes that were perfectly happy on the old fuel.

    Andy
  5. troy deck Husqvarna
    Pro Class

    Location:
    Republic MO
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    87 250wr 12 cr125
    Other Motorcycles:
    kx65 ty80 rm80 kdx250
    ETHANOL SUCKS:thumbsdown:
  6. Down Under XC Husqvarna
    AA Class

    Location:
    Melbourne, Australia
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    XC250 83', WR250 87','XC150 10
    Other Motorcycles:
    WR165 10, 83 KDX 250,
    Hi guys,

    Thanks Justintendo for that I was a little surprised that no head gasket existed when I stripped it down. Your not far from where I got my bike (Indiana, Carmel).

    Thanks Surprize, will no doubt see you soon maybe Beaufort again. The XC is all in pieces and Geoff M doing some minor welding and frame improvements. So I will on KDX 250 if I finish that. Will check those bolts, especially now that they have been spot faced thankyou thankyou thankyou. I am not dislectic.

    Thanks Andy. I also have a 2010 WR 125 (now a 165 thru Walt Smith (this forum)) and the head has been back to the usa once for further relieving and it still pings and this is because Australia has shit fuel as well compared to the US. They have like 100 octane pump gas and I thought we had 98 here but its not the same. I need to use an octane booster for 165 now.

    Thanks troy. Missouri well that's a great place to live, (Mark Twain National Forest) I was going to ask where the hell is republic MO and then goggled, I was expecting Uzbekistan or somewhere eastern Europe not Springfield Missouri.


    Anyway thanks Guys
  7. troy deck Husqvarna
    Pro Class

    Location:
    Republic MO
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    87 250wr 12 cr125
    Other Motorcycles:
    kx65 ty80 rm80 kdx250
    your welcome :thumbsup:
  8. justintendo klotz super techniplate junkie

    Location:
    mercer, pa/northwest pa
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    84 250,86 400,87 430,88 250,95 360
    Other Motorcycles:
    99 kawasaki zrx 1100
  9. Bigbill Husqvarna
    Pro Class

    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    '83 250wr
    Other Motorcycles:
    0 right now
    I use valve lapping compound to lap the head to the cylinder for the perfect seal. This should be done on everyone we take apart for a refresh. Just a little lapping will do. Try to put an even pressie around the top of the head when lapping it. There's two seals on the top of the cylinder with a tiny space inbetween. I make sure both seal lines are in the head all the way around and these two lines are clean on the head. You need a 360 degree seal.

    Seek perfection for the perfect seal.

    The '83 250wr husqvarna milk truck surely delivers it was my first husqvarna.
  10. 84scrambler Husqvarna
    Pro Class

    Location:
    mid Florida
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    87 xc 250, 85 wrx 250, 79 wr 250
    Have you ever tried to mate to pieces of metal together with out any sealing material any where else besides a husky head?
    It never seals does it... How can you believe that its a perfect seal with out any sealing agent. I know there is no gasket and you lap the two together but I would also find it hard to believe that there is no leaky heads out of all the bikes out there. Did the factory allow a certain amount of leakage you have to wonder? I wonder if the factory did a leak down test after they built every engine?
    Makes you think how many are out there leaking. I did here a husky mechanic who owned a shop back in the day and said they use to take a small paint brush and paint a thin layer of paint on the mating surfaces to help seal them together. Any body else ever here such?
  11. troy deck Husqvarna
    Pro Class

    Location:
    Republic MO
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    87 250wr 12 cr125
    Other Motorcycles:
    kx65 ty80 rm80 kdx250
    no but it has to be FLAT and SMOOTH never found any evidence of leakage
  12. justintendo klotz super techniplate junkie

    Location:
    mercer, pa/northwest pa
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    84 250,86 400,87 430,88 250,95 360
    Other Motorcycles:
    99 kawasaki zrx 1100
    nope, think of it like a flare fitting on a hydraulic line, metal to metal with no goop...will withstand hundreds of psi. what about a copper head gasket? no goo there...the swede engineers were no dummies. i would be very hesitant to use anything on an air cooled head to help it seal, i think this would help it leak.
  13. Bigbill Husqvarna
    Pro Class

    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    '83 250wr
    Other Motorcycles:
    0 right now
    I leak tested every assembled husqvarna engine and no leaks. It's a lapped fit.
    I have disassembled engines prior that had leaking heads not that bad were they burned a groove but carbon in the lapped seal area.
    This taught me to lap every head to the cylinder on the refresh. Maybe a little leakage can happen if there not torqued correctly. Or maybe over torqued.
  14. Down Under XC Husqvarna
    AA Class

    Location:
    Melbourne, Australia
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    XC250 83', WR250 87','XC150 10
    Other Motorcycles:
    WR165 10, 83 KDX 250,
    Wow some history and experience in this thread on lapping of huskies. Thanks Guys. two seal lines around the entire head.
  15. Down Under XC Husqvarna
    AA Class

    Location:
    Melbourne, Australia
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    XC250 83', WR250 87','XC150 10
    Other Motorcycles:
    WR165 10, 83 KDX 250,
    Wow some history and experience in this thread on lapping of huskies. Thanks Guys. two seal lines around the entire head.
  16. justintendo klotz super techniplate junkie

    Location:
    mercer, pa/northwest pa
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    84 250,86 400,87 430,88 250,95 360
    Other Motorcycles:
    99 kawasaki zrx 1100
    :thumbsup:
  17. Bigbill Husqvarna
    Pro Class

    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    '83 250wr
    Other Motorcycles:
    0 right now
    The surface of the lapped area, should be a light gray sand blasted color. The COLOR should be even all the way round the head and cylinder. If not sure lap it one more time.
    There is course and fine valve lapping compound I prefer the fine.

    Assemble the head to cylinder squeaky clean.
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  18. stormer254 Husqvarna
    AA Class

    Location:
    England
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    More than I dare let her know
    Other Motorcycles:
    Yes!
    IT is a pretty common method for sealing 2 stroke heads, my Starmakers, Stormers, Bultaco and Montesas are all the same:)
  19. troy deck Husqvarna
    Pro Class

    Location:
    Republic MO
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    87 250wr 12 cr125
    Other Motorcycles:
    kx65 ty80 rm80 kdx250
    starmaker??? i need pixs on that one
  20. husqyman Husqvarna
    AA Class

    Location:
    S.E Kent UK
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    1988 XC430, 1987 250WR.
    Other Motorcycles:
    Triumph Tiger 955i
    IRC a Villiers engine of around 250cc sold as a competition engine, to be used in a frame of your choice. Looked similar to the later Fluff Brown AJS motors
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    Beetle's and the air cooled Citroens also had heads lapped into place with no gaskets as well