1. 2 Stroke Husqvarna Motorcycles Made In Austria - About 2014 & Newer
    TE = 2st Enduro & TC = 2st Cross

TE/TC Often wondered?.?

Discussion in '2st' started by Bigbill, Jun 4, 2016.

  1. Bigbill Husqvarna
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    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    '83 250wr
    Other Motorcycles:
    0 right now
    I often wondered why they never used a cable adjustable operated power valve? Rather than take power from the engine.
  2. racemx904 Husqvarna
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    Location:
    owenton, ky
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    2014 Beta 350RR & 1986 430XC
    Other Motorcycles:
    1975 Rokon and 2004 Kawasaki KX65
    Operated off what?

    There's some electric p/v but the amount of power loss is very small
  3. juicypips Husqvarna
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    Location:
    gloucestershire
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    wr 360. 2002
    Other Motorcycles:
    Gas Gas TxT 300, Yamaha wr250f
    By cable adjusted you mean rigged up to the throttle?
  4. jimspac Husqvarna
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    Location:
    Connecticut
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    82 250WR, 82 430WR, 84 250WR, 85 400
    Other Motorcycles:
    86 400WR, 82 Montesa Cota 349
    The oil pump for the Yamaha Autolube in the 70's was one cable at the throttle and split into 2 cables. One cable went to the carb slide and the other controlled the metering of the pump. Very synchronized and efficient that allowed straight gas in the fuel tank. So it has been done before, just not to a power valve. That would certainly eliminate the need for electronics unless it needed to be synchronized with fuel injection.
  5. Trenchcoat85 Husqvarna
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    Location:
    Northern NorCal
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    '14 TE 310R
    Other Motorcycles:
    '85 shovel, '75 DT400, '97 XR400
    I'm guessing it's 'cause the power valve position is rpm-dependent; and throttle position isn't an issue.
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  6. Tetley Husqvarna
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    Location:
    UK
    Exactly, the power valve is mostly RPM dependent, and has little to do with throttle position. It's all to do with the resonant frequencies of port timing and the expansion chamber. RPM is by far the dominant factor, but throttle position, temperature, altitude etc do have a small effect. The only way this could be properly incorporated is to have a mapped ECU controlled power valve. So, easiest, cheapest and most reliable solution is use RPM as the driving force.
    I'm sure once the new wave of FI 2 strokes come in, the power valves wil be ECU controled.
  7. ohmygewd Husqvarna
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    Location:
    Melbourne, Australia
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    13'Berg FE350, 96'WR360, 01 WR250
    Other Motorcycles:
    Aprilia RSV1000
    Electronic powervalves have been around for years but not on dirtbikes. Yamaha YPVS on the RD/RZ, Kwaka KIPS on the KR's, Honda RC Valve on the NSR's..2t's with electronic servo's or something...that's was almost 40+ years ago and l can't believe that modern day manufacturers couldn't build a PV that somehow can work of the rotation of the alternator or even a simple rpm sensor to the countershaft.
    I know 2t and majority of dirt guys hate more electronics but (showing my age), 40years ago electronic PV's were in place and we're still yet to see it on the dirt????
  8. shawbagga Husqvarna
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    Location:
    Eaton, Western Australia
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    None
    Other Motorcycles:
    2018 Gasgas XC250
    Sherco n TM use electric servo/cable Pvs.
  9. letitsnow Husqvarna
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    Location:
    mn
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    FC250
    Other Motorcycles:
    CBR600F4
    Honda CR250R?
  10. Norman Foley Husqvarna
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    Location:
    Trumansburg, NY... The Beautiful, Finger Lakes
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    82 250WR 86 250WR 93 WXE350 03 TE610
    Other Motorcycles:
    '85 Fantic 300 '12 HUSABERG TE250
    Last version of the Honda CR250 used this.
  11. troy deck Husqvarna
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    Location:
    Republic MO
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    87 250wr 12 cr125
    Other Motorcycles:
    kx65 ty80 rm80 kdx250
    AND YOUR FORGETTING THE 87 250CR WISH THAT HAD TURNED OUT BETTER WOULD HAVE BEEN A BIG FEATHER IN HUSKYS CAP BACK THEN
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  12. justintendo klotz super techniplate junkie

    Location:
    mercer, pa/northwest pa
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    84 250,86 400,87 430,88 250,95 360
    Other Motorcycles:
    99 kawasaki zrx 1100
    yup troy is most certainly correct...the swedes had it on the 87 husky cr250...right before the italians scrapped all the swede 2 stroke designs..i understand why they did it but they were about to evolve with a new case design.
  13. Norman Foley Husqvarna
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    Location:
    Trumansburg, NY... The Beautiful, Finger Lakes
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    82 250WR 86 250WR 93 WXE350 03 TE610
    Other Motorcycles:
    '85 Fantic 300 '12 HUSABERG TE250
    Too bad Gustavsson and the boys weren't interested in developing the Swedish 2T bikes too, when they started Husaberg....
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  14. justintendo klotz super techniplate junkie

    Location:
    mercer, pa/northwest pa
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    84 250,86 400,87 430,88 250,95 360
    Other Motorcycles:
    99 kawasaki zrx 1100
    im betting they could only go with one or the other, and there was more promise to the thumper tech that was mostly unavailable to anyone else at the time.
  15. troy deck Husqvarna
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    Location:
    Republic MO
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    87 250wr 12 cr125
    Other Motorcycles:
    kx65 ty80 rm80 kdx250
    yea but it still sucks i bet say a 92 up Husaberg 2t would been a fairly bad mamajamma and still plenty fast today for must guys haha an 87 husky with 5 years of evaluation hell good enough for me
  16. lankydoug Husqvarna
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    Location:
    MO
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    WR
    Other Motorcycles:
    TM 300en
    Funny that this conversation would come up. I was at a 2 day 200 mile woods ride this weekend and a bunch of guys were sitting around the campfire wishing for a big bore air cooled engine with a modern transmission in a modern chassis. Simplicity and light weight with a narrow tank and no chance of smashing radiators. Some modern spark curve mapping and carb.... they might be on to something. Of the 200 mile course 70% was bar width single track and it poured rain for the first half of the first day so linear power with good traction was better than tons of horsepower. There was a lot of vintage bikes and "vintage riders" :lol: and the median age was probably 45 years old, so most guys had let go of their expectations of winning a GNCC.
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  17. Trenchcoat85 Husqvarna
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    Location:
    Northern NorCal
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    '14 TE 310R
    Other Motorcycles:
    '85 shovel, '75 DT400, '97 XR400
    Man, I would love everything about this...

    'cept:
    I want a 175-200cc, 6 speed, power valve, reed valve, 80Watt alternator, barely street-legal, with OIL INJECTION [and maybe an engine oil pump with filter; fittings in case you wanted to add an external cooler. but maybe not]. electric start? nope- probably not. no battery.

    weight would be <200lbs. hp would be about 25, maybe a bit more. lotta torque.