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Steering Damper Questions

Discussion in '4 Stroke' started by Pete, Dec 15, 2009.

  1. Pete Husqvarna
    AA Class

    Location:
    Victoria, Australia
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    2014 TE300
    I am thinking about the value of getting a steering damper. I am medium pace most of the time...sometimes go a bit quicker. My bike is a little older i guess, i ride 05 te450. I am thinking of getting one when i order few other bit n pieces.

    1. Under bar vs regular. Is the only real difference the bar height? I prefer not to raise the height of my bars at all if possible. I prefer to keep my original 05 bars. They are so comfy and have survived a lot of crashes.

    2. I dont need or want an $800 kit. Whats a realistic cost for good quality? Which brands to consider and which stay away from.

    3. Motosportz have a good deal on them for Huskys. Is this product honestly worth buying?

    Any other medium skilled/paced riders moved to a damper and liked it? Which one and why did you like it?

    Really keen to hear from anyone running the 45mm zokes who got one.
  2. rajobigguy Administrator

    Location:
    So.Cal.

    You bet it is, it's one of the best values on a premium damper that you're going to find. I'll find the write-up I did on it and and give you a link.

    10-30-2009, 12:01 PM
    rajobigguy
    Moderator Join Date: Jul 2008
    Location: So.Cal.
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    Here is a copy of a review that I did on the Motosportz damper. It might be of some help if the discount isn't enough to convince you to open the purse strings or you're on the fence about needing one.


    I purchased a steering damper for my TE610 Husky and wanted to share my thoughts with everyone.

    Although this report is pretty specific to the 610 I believe that much of it would be pertinent to other bikes.

    Right out of the box there are a couple of things that I noticed.
    1. This thing is a work of art, gorgeous by any standard. The machining and finish is aircraft ( maybe aerospace ) quality.

    2. Very light weight. Actually it is surprisingly light. I would have thought that the additional hardware needed to adapt to a 610 would have made the unit heavy but it is probably one of the lightest dampers that I have ever seen.

    Installation:
    Coming up with a clean mounting solution for the 610 took a bit of creativity on the manufacturers part. The 610 has almost no room between the gas tank and the head stock and until now the only viable alternative to mounting a damper was to purchase one from one of the other companies, change to an after market gas tank and do a bit of fabrication to mount the stationary pin. Motosportz has come up with a clamp that attaches to the upper headstock mount and goes around the factory gas tank.

    The damper itself is a relatively simple mount up. All that is required is to remove the two top handle bar clamps and install the damper mount in thier place. The damper is secured to the mounts by two screws in a sliding bracket. The stationary pin mount requires you to remove the gas tank and slip the yoke of the clamp over the nose of the tank and drop the tank back into position. There are a couple of things to watch out for here. It seems that Husky may weld the hold down bolt for the gas tank in a nominal location rather than a precision one. I would recommend doing a trial fit of the clamp without the gas tank in position to make sure that the clamp is not rocking on any excess weld on either the headstock or tank hold down bolt. That was the case with mine but was easily rectified once I understood what was going on. It only took a few swipes with a heavy file to to smooth the mounting surface. I have since talked to the people at Motoportz and they said they would include a recommendation to do a trail fit in the instructions.
    That brings us to the next point which is dealing with the people at Motosportz. What a great group of guys they have there, very helpful, they are real riders who understand what our needs are and share the same enthusiasm about bikes that we have.

    Performance:
    It took a few days before I had the opportunity to get it dirty but in the mean time I did do some street riding and even there it made a difference.
    While the big Husky is a very stable bike to begin with, adding the steering damper allowed me to raise the fork tubes in the triple clamp to the next notch with out losing any high speed stability. Being able to tighten up my steering radius without losing high speed stability justifies the purchase all by itself but it doesn't stop there.

    At lower speeds in the sandy stuff it is less of a fight to keep the bike pointed in the right direction and it tracks better in the rough at higher speeds. I tried bouncing sideways off some sharp edged obstacles and it is much less of a chore to recoup. Turn-in is much smoother and more predictable. It seems to have a non linear resistance built in to the sweep and gets progressively easier the farther away from center that you move.
    The adjustment is a single lever and can go from almost nothing to really stiff. I found that running mine in the midway point was about right for me. It probably has more adjustment than most people will ever use but I guess it might be nice to have in some situations.

    Overall this is an outstanding unit and if you are looking for a damper you should consider Motosportz.
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  3. Dirty Bikes Husqvarna
    A Class

    I have used the Motorsportz damper and disliked it. It may be the cheapest in price but I also found it to be the lowest in usefulness. I found that it was difficult to get a consistant and accurate setting. I have tried a Scotts and found it to be a much better product and worth the money. Sorry but that is my honest opinion.
  4. andyman Husqvarna
    AA Class

    I recently purchased a Motosportz damper. I am in love with it, and would highly recommend it. My bar mounts had a factory spacer, I could have replaced them with the underbar mount, and kept the stock bar height, but I elected to stack them and raise my bars about an inch. I am VERY VERY satisfied.

    Do a search here and on ThumperTalk. There are very very positive reviews of the Motosportz damper.
  5. jmetteer Husqvarna
    Pro Class

    Location:
    Woodland, WA
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    TXC300 CR125 CR144
    Other Motorcycles:
    WR250F, TRANSALP
    I have the Motosportz damper it works extremely well. :thumbsup::thumbsup:

    I used to have the Scott's, it was overly complicated and all I used was the slow speed damping adjustment.:excuseme:

    The MZ damper rocks.:applause:

    Later,
  6. Fat Tire Flyer Husqvarna
    AA Class

    Location:
    Canada
    About a month ago I bought a new to me 2006 Husky WR250 (it was totally blinged out) and it came with a Motosportz damper..
    Haven't ridden it much yet (other than around the block few times) but the damper seem to work pretty sweetly.. :thumbsup:
  7. Motosportz CH Sponsor

    Location:
    Vancouver WA
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    2021 TE250i, 570 Berg, 500 KTM, 790R
    Other Motorcycles:
    many
    If it was inconsistent you probably need it serviced or updated to our latest internals which we do free. If it is yours send it in and we'll get it 100% for free. there should be nothing inconsistent about it if there is the fluid is contaminated.

    Like suspesnion setup it varies what people like. I get nice letters all the time about performance. I have had many customers buy one after owning a Scott and love it. Some might not have. Ours, Scotts and GPR all have a different feel but all serve a very similar function. The inconstancy noted above means something is amiss with that unit and is not normal operation. Some of our early dampers would get dirt up in the main seal after a while and leak a little fluid out the main shaft. We upgraded the design a little over a year ago and have been 100% since then. We upgrade people who have had this issue for free.

    Dirty bike, if this is yours or someone you know have them send it in for a free service. :thumbsup:
  8. Motosportz CH Sponsor

    Location:
    Vancouver WA
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    2021 TE250i, 570 Berg, 500 KTM, 790R
    Other Motorcycles:
    many

    thanks.

    you might also want to look at KTMtalk as we have sold a TON of dampers for KTM's. Lots of happy unsolicited customers over there.

    thanks for the nice comments guys. It is appreciated. :thumbsup:
  9. Dirty Bikes Husqvarna
    A Class

    Thanks for the offer Kelly. But I didn't like it from the first ride. No big deal. Not everyone has to like all products. The Scotts is just a better fit for me.
  10. jmetteer Husqvarna
    Pro Class

    Location:
    Woodland, WA
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    TXC300 CR125 CR144
    Other Motorcycles:
    WR250F, TRANSALP
    Yeah... three clicks of a mouse shows Scotts as one of your sponsors...

    Sounds like you had a poor performing damper, hard to pass judgment on something without making an effort to make sure it is functioning correctly. Manufacturing defects or assembly errors happen.

    I had to send my Scotts in twice and they made it right. :thumbsup:

    Later,
  11. fire1998 Husqvarna
    AA Class

    Location:
    Cheyenne, WY
    Hey guys,
    I have only used Scotts on my bikes. I currently have one on my 08 WR 250. Can anyone give me a comparison between Motosportz and Scotts? I like the scotts because of the high speed valve. I have tried a GPR and did not like because it did not have a high speed valve. I just bought an 09 TXC and I am debating between moving the Scotts from bike to bike or buying a Motosportz for the TXC.
    Thanks
  12. Coffee CH Owner

    Location:
    Between homes - in ft Wayne IN
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    2006 TE250, 2013 TR650 Terra - sold
    I rode 1 bike once with a steering damper, it was Kellys personal bike and found incredible. I should have bought one but other things in life got in the way. I've got no idea how it compares with other brands though.

    Simply awesome customer service :thumbsup:

    I believe the bold 'if' should be 'unless'? I just re-read it, I understand what you meant, not sure about the wording. I'm not feeling well today.


    No one likes every product that is for sure. It would be great if you could state a little more detail such as where is it now.

    And based on the comment below it would be good if you could comment on Scotts being one of you sites sponsors so Pete (the person that started this thread) and others could get the honest feedback they are searching for.

    Personally I do not see Scotts on your site...

  13. Dirty Bikes Husqvarna
    A Class

    WTF are you talking about? Scotts sponsor?? I wish buddy, you need to check your facts before making such statements.

    And I actually have 2 MZ dampers and they are both the same.

    So I have a feeling that an honest opinion is not wanted here? I say that I do not like the MZ damper and I have received a PM from Kelly asking why I hate him, I have been accused of having Scotts as a sponsor (which is insane) and now I have to provide more details as to why I don't like?

    You want the real truth? I think it is a piece of shit. Poor quality, trying to get it set accurately and consistantly is impossible when compared to the GPR and Scotts and it took foooooorever to get it. That is the real truth. IMO

    I am still allowed to have an opinion, right?

    Unbelievable!
  14. jmetteer Husqvarna
    Pro Class

    Location:
    Woodland, WA
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    TXC300 CR125 CR144
    Other Motorcycles:
    WR250F, TRANSALP
    I am sorry if I misunderstood seeing Scotts performance on the banner under Sponsors on your page... I thought that would mean they were one of your sponsors....

    [IMG]

    I can see how you would think I was confused seeing it on your page, under sponsors...


    Later,
  15. bajahusky Husqvarna
    AA Class

    Location:
    jackson, wy.
    i could personaly go off about waiting for parts from Motosportz, but why give dirty bikes grief about his opinion? i agree if you want the best performing stabilizer buy the scotts:thumbsup: it is easy to operate once you take the time to read about the high and low speed dampning and then experiment with it. i will not own anything else.
  16. Motosportz CH Sponsor

    Location:
    Vancouver WA
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    2021 TE250i, 570 Berg, 500 KTM, 790R
    Other Motorcycles:
    many
    WOW, fun stuff.

    It is all good. I like Scotts too, ran them for years. I send them customers all the time when they inquire about ours and we do not have fitment.
  17. PALMER84ONE Husqvarna
    AA Class

    Location:
    Silverado, CA.
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    08 TE450 THE ROCKET
    Other Motorcycles:
    12 RS520, CRF150F/230F, YZ250
    :cool:I want in! This looks like fun…Motosportz sent me a Damper claiming to have a clamp for the IMS tank. Kelly never did get it together and I forwarded his Damper to another customer for a full refund plus shipping. Motosportz/Kelly ROCKS in the customer service department. (No idea how the damper works as I never got to try it out).
    GPR claimed to have a Damper that worked for my bike with the IMS tank so I ordered one. Guess what? It did not fit either. (No idea how the damper works as I never got to try it out). They took it back plus shipping! GPR ROCKS in the customer service department. Up-tite/George has been working on one that is a Scotts Damper and his clamp. (It’s been a year in the making but hopefully this weekend we will be mounting it up perfection takes time I hope). Up-tite ROCKS in the Research and Development, Service Department. :thumbsup:

    Buy the one that fits and works. IF IT FEELS GOOD, DO IT!
  18. timefighter Husqvarna
    B Class

    Location:
    SWO
    I was just in your position ie. deciding whether to spend money on a damper or not. I'm going to compete in Vet pro this year so I would say a med. pace rider as well.

    I had a chance to ride a very similar bike to mine I ride an 08 Ktm 250 XC and I had chance to ride an 09 version with a damper (Scotts)

    I rode the same course for about an hour. Its a singletrack trail thats about 15km long mostly tight bar banging rooty stuff found here in southern Ontario. After 2 laps my friend offered to switch bikes so I could see the benefits of the damper.

    Easiest and quickest way to describe it, its like power steering in a car. (not sure if you're old enough to have ever driven a non power steering car) It isn't something you can't live with out, but after riding with one you likely won't go with out.
    All the trail trash is absorbed and you can ride with a lighter feel on the bars. I've clipped the occasional tree with my bark busters and ended up off the trail due to the rapid change in direction. With a damper, it is a small tap with little change in bar direction.

    As for the best damper....... only you can decide that for you. I believe that the biggest difference between Scotts and Motosportz is that one of them dampens both toward center and away and one does just away from center. But I'm sure someone can answer the differences better than I.

    Bottom line is, a damper is a great tool for enjoying your racing more. It's well worth the investment. Hope this helps
  19. ScottyR Husqvarna
    AA Class

    Location:
    Mitchell, ON
    That is not Dirty Bikes site. It is a shop in Ontario. 2 completely different places/people.
  20. jmetteer Husqvarna
    Pro Class

    Location:
    Woodland, WA
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    TXC300 CR125 CR144
    Other Motorcycles:
    WR250F, TRANSALP
    Again I am sorry, I assumed that since it was in his cafe husky profile under "home page" and the web site was "dirtybikes.ca" matching his user name that it was his website.

    How silly of me. :lol:

    Later,