I was able to ride these bikes over the weekend they are all 14's and thought Id give a brief run down or comparison. I own the wr300 (lectron, gnarly, ffw) and It smokes both the 4s (all stock) in the power department hands down. The 310 actually has comparable torque to the 300, the 310 hooks better by a little. The 310 was down on power everywhere compaired to the 300 but hooked so well I didnt find myself needing more unless i was blipping the throttle to get over something. The 310 made hill climbs easy and handled better in handlebar bashing tight stuff over the 300, I think most of that came from the smaller chassis. I felt comfortable on the 310, it felt as heavy as the 300 but maybe reacted a little better due to the chassis. In general the bike was fun but I was constantly over the fender to help keep the font down on up hills, on the same up hills the 300 would pull the front a bit but was more under control. The TC250r first impression from getting off the 310 and on to the 250 was, it's lighter. The 250 didn't give up much to the 310 in bottom end power maybe a hair less torque if anything. I went into this thinking the 310 was the ticket but soon realized the TC250 was a funner bike to ride. I think most of the reason was the lightness and torque together in the same package. It handled up hills fine and it had enough power that I was not fighting to keep the front end down and actually took uphills more like the 300 when its lugging. Both my buddy (A rider 160#+/-) and I (B rider 225#) thought this was a blast to ride but also thought we would have this little bike wound out most of the time in a hare scramble to keep pace. I was disappointed I couldnt ride a 165 and am even more confused about what new bike I want. I like the comparable feel of the 310 to my 300 in weight and low end torque but feel maybe now it's just a less powerful but slightly better turning (in very tight stuff) version of my 300 I already have. The TC250 was lighter and had torque that was fun and you had to be on it and screaming it most of the time so that was fun. If I were to race I would pick the 310 just because its most like the 300 I am used to. I have heard that between a 165 vs 250 4s that they have very similar power but a guy told me he would pick the 250 to race?? Not sure why?? I'm looking for a second bike to go with my 300 to do the things my 300 isnt the best at and possibly be able to race the second bike. Really wish I could have ridden the 165....
Pretty detailed reporting ... No doubt in my mind that the lighter feeling front end of the 2t machines (250cc) makes these bikes feel safer to me when riding ... Also no doubt in my mind that it is easier to make make a 2t bike go faster, easier, than a 4t machine due to no engine braking ... You gotta keep the throttle on with the 4t machines or you are actually braking. 2t machines roll pretty easily with the throttle closed ... You wanna ride a 4t fast? Keep the throttle on always (just a little) and keep your foot off the rear brake for slowing. In the end, it is the rider and I'll take a 250cc 2t bike unless on a MX track where jumps are all over the place ...
I've been wondering what a 300 2 stroke feels like. Actually had a chance to race a 13 txc310 yesterday and it's a monster compared to the 2012. Ton of fun
I agree fully. 4-t's and their torque feel fast, but you need to subtract all engine breaking from the lap times.
Lap times are lap times no matter what you are riding; the clock is agnostic. Some people are good at using the engine braking to their advantage, some are not. Some like a planted front end, some like light.... As Yamaha used to say Different Strokes for Different Folks
I found I was on the clutch so much on these 4s bikes that I really didn't notice a ton of engine breaking. It was work clutch out of the corner wrap it out and once in awhile shift then clutch break and rail it through the next turn not really time for engine breaking. If I were on a leisurely trail ride I would notice but if I'm doing that then what's it matter? I like both 2 and 4 for there own reasons.
4 sure the rider. Got a buddy who is about the same speed as me. He rides a KTM 450 and I ride a Husky 144. He says how the heck do you ride that so fast? And I ask him the same thing!!! tried a few 4-strokes. They do not seem to work for me and I have proved this with back to back time trials. But for some they work great. The simplicity of the two stroke and the Braaaaaap Braaaaaap win in my book And to me the term WOT does not even apply to a 4 stroke. What I really want to know is WTF are these great Red Head engines going to end up in????????????????????????
