1. 4 Stroke Husqvarna Motorcycles Made In Italy - About 1989 to 2014
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TXC449 Oil cooler?

Discussion in '4 Stroke' started by fire1998, Sep 15, 2012.

  1. fire1998 Husqvarna
    AA Class

    Location:
    Cheyenne, WY
    Anyone know where you can buy an oil cooler for a TXC449? Anyone ever use one?
    Easy to install?
    Thanks
  2. Tinken Husqvarna
    Pro Class

    Location:
    Hesperia, CA
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    MY12 WR511
    Other Motorcycles:
    Yamaha
    If you are unsuccessful in finding the necessary hardware to install an oil cooler, the adapter doesn't look too difficult to have made by a machinist. This nearly doubles the oil capacity of the engine as well.

    This oil cooler is tiny, 4.5", and can easily be mounted on the side of the cylinder where the new fuel canisters are located:
    http://www.hrpworld.com/index.cfm?form_prod_id=781,776,587_6038&action=product

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  3. oregonsage 4st Clerk

    Location:
    Dry Washington
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    FX450
    Other Motorcycles:
    Yamaha DT400 x 2, BMW G310R
    Ive been pondering this myself. And actually I would aim for something as large as can be mounted so it would act as additional oil capacity.

    I think the Speedbrain Dakar bike had extra oil tanks built into the skid plate. Maybe you can find a pic of how they plumbed it.
  4. fire1998 Husqvarna
    AA Class

    Location:
    Cheyenne, WY
    Someone needs to take the ball and run with it. Has to be pretty good demand out there for it. Id buy one.
  5. oregonsage 4st Clerk

    Location:
    Dry Washington
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    FX450
    Other Motorcycles:
    Yamaha DT400 x 2, BMW G310R
    Gazing down there at the site sponsor list.... I see some candidates to build/sell these :thumbsup:

    Imagine an nice anodized oil filter cap with the fittings to match my 7602 drain/screen plugs that I got at last years Fall Gathering...Add some hose, mounts and the cooler/canister....voila.

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  6. Motosportz CH Sponsor

    Location:
    Vancouver WA
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    2021 TE250i, 570 Berg, 500 KTM, 790R
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    many
    Do they need it? Mine seems to run quite cool but then i ride tighter stuff at slower speeds and in the NW which is cooler for the most part than many places. I have not seen posts of overheating issues with this motor / bike. Also from a manufacturer perspective it would end up a high cost part and sell very few along with being a major liability issue as you are messing with the engine oil system. One fitting comes loose or something happens and you ahve customers points at you for destroying engines. I don't see anyone tackling this. IMHO if you feel you need one the info is here to build it.

    parts:

    http://www.xrp.com/

    http://www.xrp.com/catalog.html
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  7. fire1998 Husqvarna
    AA Class

    Location:
    Cheyenne, WY
    Long distance racers/riders would use these. Im think of donig some BITD races next year on my txc449 but from what Ive heard motors need an oil cooler for extra capcity and cooler oil temps.
  8. Tinken Husqvarna
    Pro Class

    Location:
    Hesperia, CA
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    MY12 WR511
    Other Motorcycles:
    Yamaha
    The average everyday rider does not need an oil cooler. You might not even need one for racing, but for long distance desert races such as those in Nevada, Southern Cali and Mexico, it's probably a good idea.

    I myself do not race, but I have overheated my 511 to the point of blowing engineice out the overflow. Granted I was in Johnson Valley in +106° weather and probably shouldn't of been there in the first place. I love fun projects and will probably put together a oil cooler for my application.

    I'm sure the folks over at Zip-ty racing could shed some light on oil coolers for Husky, they seem to know a lot about them. While you're there, check out Ty's new desert race tank for the 449/511, it holds about 3 gallons of fuel which would put your total near 5.5 gallons total. :thumbsup:
  9. Tinken Husqvarna
    Pro Class

    Location:
    Hesperia, CA
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    MY12 WR511
    Other Motorcycles:
    Yamaha
    Spent the better part of today hanging out with Ty & Zip-ty racing while he set up my 511 for Shamrock's event this weekend. I was able to take a look at his oil cooler fitting he developed and it totally blows away the one I posted earlier. He was able to integrate a stainless steel oil filter onto the fitting and have two precision outlets for oil transfer. The water cooling system on the 449 platform works very well and runs very cool, but the oil temperatures are considerably above normal between 325 to 375°F. The alloy used to manufacture the cases of the 449/511 is different than Japanese alloys in that it holds heat in and does not dissipate it. Massive oil coolers are needed in order to cool the oil sufficiently, but space to locate these coolers are an obvious problem. Ty is developing a new system which will eliminate the need for a massive cooler, yet will still increase oil capacity and cool very efficiently with very little modification.

    The other option to using an oil cooler is just to replace the torque limiter prior to each major race. Husqvarna does not sell the beveled pressure disks separately and requires you to purchase the entire limiter with gears for $229.
  10. Caiman Senior Vice Procrastinator

    Location:
    Australia
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    SWM SM500R
    Higher oil capacity would be great, I know a few who could use it on their daily commuter SMR's.
  11. Motosportz CH Sponsor

    Location:
    Vancouver WA
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    2021 TE250i, 570 Berg, 500 KTM, 790R
    Other Motorcycles:
    many

    While I think there is merit to your idea and thoughts I also think it might be overkill for the majority of us. I have seen little to no issues posted regarding the torque limiter or any other parts. That said this could be why they need to run low oil levels as when it heats up it expands?
  12. Tinken Husqvarna
    Pro Class

    Location:
    Hesperia, CA
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    MY12 WR511
    Other Motorcycles:
    Yamaha
    You're correct Kelly, as I stated in a previous post,the average everyday rider does not need an oil cooler. This is a race application. The low oil levels, as you know, are required to keep the oil from blowing out the breather. Speedbrain posted a recommendation to remove the crankcase ventilator from the air box and add a separate air filter to it when they designed the 480cc overbore.

    When racing the 449 platform over long periods of time in elevated temperatures, the torque limiter may fail. Basically, BMW designed the 449 platform to have two wet clutches. Most manufactures design a cushioning dampener into their clutches in the form of rubber bushings. Early huskys had this dampening in the rear sprockets. This is needed when jumping and bringing the engine to a halt suddenly. Rather than damaging the engine, these cushions give a little. The cushioning effect on the 449 platform was engineered into a torque limiter which is on the right hand side of the crankshaft, in the inner case under the clutch. There are no springs in the torque limiter other than beveled disks. When heated excessively by extremely hot oil, these beveled washers loose their ability to provide constant pressure. Racers have reported that slipping has occurred during hard uphill climbs but that the torque limiters are re-engaged after cooling down. It is unclear what exactly happened to Malcolm's teams torque limiter when it flew apart, but that it did happen. Running thicker oil will not have an impact on this issue. It is this reason, above others that an oil cooler is recommended. Large reserves of cooled thinner oil will keep the engine performing while racing.

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  13. Tinken Husqvarna
    Pro Class

    Location:
    Hesperia, CA
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    MY12 WR511
    Other Motorcycles:
    Yamaha
    The oil cooler is easy, but making the actual adapter is very difficult. And after my exhaustive search across the internet, I didn't find anyone who was making the adapters.

    So I pulled the trigger and had a couple of these made. I didn't like all the external parts of the adapter I posted above, so I had a custom conical stainless steel oil filter attached to the adapter that fits inside the oil filter housing and still allows oil to be ran to an external cooler.
  14. fire1998 Husqvarna
    AA Class

    Location:
    Cheyenne, WY
    How much? Need a tester. Still might try and race bike in BITD this year.
  15. Tinken Husqvarna
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    Location:
    Hesperia, CA
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    MY12 WR511
    Other Motorcycles:
    Yamaha
  16. Tinken Husqvarna
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    Location:
    Hesperia, CA
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    MY12 WR511
    Other Motorcycles:
    Yamaha
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  17. McKay Husqvarna
    AA Class

    Location:
    Sanger, Ca
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    2015 FE350S, 2016 TE300
    Why are you using these exchangers?
  18. Tinken Husqvarna
    Pro Class

    Location:
    Hesperia, CA
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    MY12 WR511
    Other Motorcycles:
    Yamaha
    They are the most efficient I have found so far. I would like to see if there are any others available?
  19. Rearwheelin Husqvarna
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    Location:
    Bakersfield , OffroadAfornia
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    2013 XCW 300
    They don't give those things away, but I like the idea.
  20. McKay Husqvarna
    AA Class

    Location:
    Sanger, Ca
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    2015 FE350S, 2016 TE300
    Why not a traditional cooler? These will take the oil heat and put it into the water system.

    Your right, they are extremely efficient when the flows are set up right but they are really intended for another environment. Traditional use is for heating fuel in aircraft prior to burn, super cold fuel is warmed by engine oil.