Y'all ever heard of that "dreaded red chain dust"?

Discussion in 'TR650' started by ebrake, Oct 9, 2013.

  1. ebrake Husqvarna
    A Class

    Location:
    Wilmington, Delaware
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    TR 650 Terra
    Other Motorcycles:
    Kawasaki KLR 250(sold)
    So I was inspecting my chain earlier today and noticed some red dust around a dozen or so of the inboard o-rings and plates. None on either sprocket and none on the bike.

    After some research I have concluded that its is lubricant leaking from inside my chain, due to some busted seals. That is a thing right?

    Sadly my chain only has 6000 miles on it and it was lubed and cleaned regularly and it has never even needed to be adjusted because it has never gone out of spec, and I measured it regularly. The sprockets still look brand new and square.

    The only thing that I can think of it that inadequately lubricated the inside plates and o-rings all those times.

    Thoughts?
  2. NYCMX Husqvarna
    AA Class

    Location:
    Spring Hill Florida
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    13 TE310R,13 Strada,
    Other Motorcycles:
    1977 Rm125,78 Rm125, 80 RM125...KTM
    What are you cleaning it with? I never cleaned mine and its fine.
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  3. Xcuvator Husqvarna
    Pro Class

    Location:
    Scholls Oregon
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    TE450,610 WB165,WR250 WR360 & XC430
    Other Motorcycles:
    yes
    Rust
    The chain is rusting. Chains usually come lubed with white lithium grease.
  4. ebrake Husqvarna
    A Class

    Location:
    Wilmington, Delaware
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    TR 650 Terra
    Other Motorcycles:
    Kawasaki KLR 250(sold)
    I usually use kerosene to clean
  5. ebrake Husqvarna
    A Class

    Location:
    Wilmington, Delaware
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    TR 650 Terra
    Other Motorcycles:
    Kawasaki KLR 250(sold)
    I don't know, it really doesn't look like any type of rust I have ever seen. I have had rust on bicycle and motorcycle chains before. Plus I haven't ridden in the rain in months (somehow) and at least one cleaning and several chain inspections ago, and this is brand new.

    Ill try and post up a picture from my phone
  6. ebrake Husqvarna
    A Class

    Location:
    Wilmington, Delaware
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    TR 650 Terra
    Other Motorcycles:
    Kawasaki KLR 250(sold)
    The more I look at it the more I think rust...but damnit internet, why you talk about red chain dust and make me doubt!

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  7. TerraCzar Husqvarna
    AA Class

    Location:
    Ramona, CA
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    2013 TR650 Terra
    I have the red dust too. I also noticed an o ring on the ground yesterday.
  8. nev.. Terrarist

    Location:
    Greensborough, Australia
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    '13 TR650 Terra
    Other Motorcycles:
    '14 XT1200ZE
    In other threads a lot of TR650 owners have commented on the poor quality of the OEM chain. Mine has a few stiff links but nothing like what your picture shows.
  9. Xcuvator Husqvarna
    Pro Class

    Location:
    Scholls Oregon
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    TE450,610 WB165,WR250 WR360 & XC430
    Other Motorcycles:
    yes
    Chains are part of the price point pricing in many bikes. Just get a Regina ZRH (Zring) or similar and the best sprockets and be done with it for 20,000 miles or more. The high alloy steel and better seals in quality chains and sprockets make them much more resistant to rust and wear.
    I am a big fan of Ironman.
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  10. Freaky Husqvarna
    AA Class

    Location:
    Kidderminster Worcestershire UK
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    2010 TE250 x-lite Race ECU/Injector
    Looks like rust to me which would suggest the O-rings may have failed and the lubricant within has all but gone.
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  11. HuskyDude Moderator

    Location:
    BC, Canada
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    13/TR650
    Other Motorcycles:
    10/EC300, 76/TY175
    Do you use a power washer? Those things are nasty on chains and sealed bearing.
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  12. chris1261 Husqvarna
    AA Class

    Location:
    North Jersey
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    2013 TR 650 Strada
    it looks like the rust is forming on the outside plates, not the inner side where the O-rings seal the lubricant in. Clean the chain with mineral spirits and give it a good lubing. Is it kinking anywhere?

    I have installed a scottoiler, which constantly lubes the chain. not a good option for off road though.

    --Chris
  13. rajobigguy Administrator

    Location:
    So.Cal.
    They only thing I ever lube my chain with is dry teflon lube. It provides a protective coating, doesn't attract grit, and wont affect the o-ring seals in the chain.
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  14. nev.. Terrarist

    Location:
    Greensborough, Australia
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    '13 TR650 Terra
    Other Motorcycles:
    '14 XT1200ZE

    I tried using a dupont teflon lube. I found that the chain did not last any longer than if I had just not lubed it at all, although it stayed cleaner and less dusty. I've gone back to just using motor oil to lube the chains on my bikes.
  15. 268fords Husqvarna
    Pro Class

    Location:
    Powell, Wyoming
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    08' TE510'
    Other Motorcycles:
    Honda CRF 100, Kawasaki KLX 110
    I have found that lubing my chain with the tears of KTM riders keeps it perfect, maybe even better than from the factory!
  16. rww Husqvarna
    AA Class

    Location:
    Kennewick Washington
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    tr650
    Other Motorcycles:
    Ducati, Cagiva Kaw Zuki Honda
    It is rust and your chain is going away......change it before it wads up and knocks a hole in the case....
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  17. krider59 Husqvarna
    A Class

    Location:
    eastern pa
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    trt 650 terra
    Other Motorcycles:
    02 k12rs 05k12lt
  18. ebrake Husqvarna
    A Class

    Location:
    Wilmington, Delaware
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    TR 650 Terra
    Other Motorcycles:
    Kawasaki KLR 250(sold)
    Sorry for the delayed response, I got caught up with life obligations. Thanks to everyone who responded. The verdict is, YES, my chain is dead after 5800 street miles. Several of the links are locked and upon further inspection while cleaning, the rust dust was found around my front sprocket.

    I will be replacing the chain with something of quality before I ride her again. Thanks for the advice and knowledge.
  19. PaulC F class

    Location:
    Bayside Brisbane, Australia
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    TR Terra
    Other Motorcycles:
    2 2018 YZ 450F, 2019 CRF1000AT
    Don't bother cleaning your chain, oiling it is cleaning.
  20. nev.. Terrarist

    Location:
    Greensborough, Australia
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    '13 TR650 Terra
    Other Motorcycles:
    '14 XT1200ZE

    I disagree. Dirt isn't a lubricant. Using a device like a scottoiler which will constantly keep the chain wet will do a good job of cleaning it also, but if you're just oiling it after each ride, that's not going to happen.