new tube-less tire system

[nsrrider]

anybody tried these?

http://www.nuetech.com/

 

[nsrrider]

hmmmmm....should have searched a little better....seems like a pretty good product and ordered a front one to put on with new michelins on the 510.......riding Mt Adams in a couple of weeks and will post a review.....(along with an impression of "pivot-pegz".....cant wait!

 

[R_Little]

I use them and like them.

Run 6# on the rear with it.....no flats so far.

 

[BadMotoWeazal]

Good stuff, well over a year now with no problems.

 

[LawnDartMike]

I've been very tempted but since I haven't had an issue with flats I can't justify the tubliss cost. I have been running pivot-pegz for a couple of years and really like them - they will take some getting used to but after that there will be no going back!

 

[Darkside]

The great thing about the Tubliss system is if you get a nail in the tire you can use a tubeless tire plug and go about your way without removing the tire from the rim.

 

[ARod2000]

I kinda sorta like 'em. I've had them for a year and a half. I run ultra HD tubes so I noticed a big difference in performance without having all that spinning mass. But I also noticed a difference in my suspension performance, in a negative way. And then I got a flat front while using it. I still run it on my rear and feel that the bike accelerates quicker with it. And I've only had that one flat in 18 mos with them.

 

[Motosportz]

Lots of my ride buddies have done that for a year or so and are going back to tubes. Just to much goofing around and more work that the old tried and true tube. I see more flats with tubless than ever. Might be people trying to use them real low pressures. It's a good product for sure just not for me. If I had a MX only bike i would for sure have them.

 

[Anthony_1978]

Great realworld feedback

 

[wallybean]

I have been using them for 2 years now and other than one flat from a hard hit on a square rock ledge(filled it back up and away I went) they have been flawless. Far easier changing tires too. I re-air the inner tube once every two weeks and have yet to see any real losses from them. Check my tire pressure before rides but rarely need to add unless I want to change pressures because of where I am going. I run between 6-8 psi in the rear and 8-10 in the front. Love the grip(Motoz tires are awsome too). I didn't notice much difference one way or the other on the front, but feel the rear responds better with a little less circulating weight. Unless you cut through the entire cords/bead of the tire flats are a non-issue. If you do rip the cords/beads of a tire the tube isn't going to help you either. I don't know if the system is worth the extra money. I do know that my knuckles don't miss fighting a valve stem into a rim on a tight tire.

Walt

 

[Motosportz]

Good stuff Walt

By flats i meant from unseating the rim. Seems to not even care though as I watch Jake ride all day like that. Thats one big up side to the TBLS..

 

[J.R.]

How much pressure loss have you guys seen when it sits? Wally it doesnt sound like you see much, but how bout you Budweiserfrogie?

I emailed them to see if they have any plans for making a kit for 17" wheels as I race supermoto We'll see what Jeff@Nuetech has to say..

 

[raisrx251]

I have been running this set up for the past 9 months. During the winter I have run as low as 2-3lbs of air (tight single track, no rocks). The cool thing about it is that it helps protect your rim with the bead of the tire. The red piece you see in the pics keep the bead of the tire seated up all the way around the rim. I did not feel the suspension was effected on my bike or I adjusted to it quickly. I kind of thought of it as a gimick when I first tried them but have to say I am impressed with it. I am not 100% convinced this is for everyone but once your rims are set up for it I find tire changes easy. I did have one rear failure and Jeff at Nuetech gave the best customer service. He diagnosed what went wrong and knew how it would look before I even get the tubliss out. If I have more failures my feelings may change but so far I am happy. Watch the video a few times before and during the install and it is easy. I don't think of it as a gimick and think this is going to change the way tire manufactures build tires. I know at the beginning of the year a friend who runs XC1 in GNCC is loving them as well. Have not asked lately how they are holding up. With temp. changes you do need to keep the inner bladder up to 110psi +. The air in the tire can leak if you did not get it to seal properly during installation but once sealed mine have only changed with the temps.

 

[Bobby]

Lots of my ride buddies have done that for a year or so and are going back to tubes. Just to much goofing around and more work that the old tried and true tube. I see more flats with tubless than ever. Might be people trying to use them real low pressures. It's a good product for sure just not for me. If I had a MX only bike i would for sure have them.

I've had one flat a plug/slime wouldn't fix in 2 years running with them as I had two large gashes in the rear, one being the side wall. Still rode home 50 miles with 0psi at 45-50 mph and used that tire with a steady leak for another 300 miles gashes and all. The real advantage to the Tubliss is you can run 0 psi without spinning a tire off the rim. As long as the main inner tube of the Tubliss stays inflated, that tire is not going to spin off the rim. I've spun flat rear tires off that were dual beadlocked trying to limp back to base camp.

As far as tire changes I can change a tubliss as fast or faster then a dual beadlocked tubed tire. Really isn't as much weight loss with the Tubliss as some folks would like to think, but it does move the rotating mass closer to center which helps with steering control.

The biggest disadvantage to me is that you have to have a rim in real good shape/true for best sealing results and if you're one to use previously mounted/ran tires the tubliss can be a little sensitive to sealing properly if the bead of the tire is compromised at all. If you use up a tire completely and then replace with new, it's not a real concern. But if you want to rip up used race tires and have a fresh tire for a race and then remount used tires to practice or use up it's not the best set-up.

 

[BadMotoWeazal]

Seems prepping the wheel (cleaning all the duct tape & adhesive off of the inside of the rim) is the worst part of the Tubliss install. After that it's been easy money. I don't miss pinched tubes, extra weight, $20.00 for a extra HD tube, installing said tube & having to have another tube on stand by for the tire change. In my mind it's a great setup I rum 7-10 in the front 7-9 in the rear. I always check my pressures before leaving the house & a few time the tires seems a little low, but no different that a bike with tubes that has set in the basement for 2 weeks. Running a tubeless trials tire & loving it. I've written a letter supporting R&D on a 17" version for the 610....Bring it on****************************************

 

[hamiltonuh60]

I have also been using Tubliss for the last 9-12 months and love it. I have had one flat on the front from a square edge hit, but I just filled it up with air and she is good to go. I would also have to say that the biggest benefit is tire changes. They are super easy. BTW the customer service is phenomenal.

 

[raisrx251]

I have to agree on Customer Service, my Dad always told me as a kid to treat people as you would want to be treated and these guys do just that.

Just to clarify a few things here. I sent this link to Jeff at Tubliss and he had a few things to point out. So I am pasting his words (with his permission) regarding rim sealing. Not trying to build Nuetech's business, just trying to help someone out who is going to install these. Below this are Nuetech's words...


The condition of the rim is NOT critical at all, it will work fine on bent, tweaked, dented EVEN CRACKED rims as it seals to the inside bead of the tire NOT the rim.



And to clarify,.. the condition of bead (inside the tire is important) and it can be sensitive to a tire previously mounted with a STOCK rim lock ONLY as they leave lines in the tire past the sealing edge of the TUbliss.



HOWEVER if a tire was initially mounted with a TUbliss - it can be removed and remounted (or flipped) without any issues because the TUbliss rim lock bites into the tire above the sealing area.

 

[john01]

Hey thanks for posting up the video I've heard of them but never knew what it was all about. It looks like something I want to have on my bikes. Thanks guys for sharing your experiences with the system and your tips.

 

[nsrrider]

just got back from mt adams....rode three days in some incredible trails, some really demanding stuff, including some "double diamond" trails that were really rocky and challenging........

ran 10 lbs in the front with no issues.....steering is detectably lighter with the tubliss tire......

more noticeable were the pivot pegz that i installed before the ride......no adapting time....they should come stock on woods bikes......easier shifting, less strain on knees it seems.....really like em....

now, if i could just get more steering lock on this thing.......

 

[R_Little]

The great thing about the Tubliss system is if you get a nail in the tire you can use a tubeless tire plug and go about your way without removing the tire from the rim.

I just ran 3 races with a puncture in the front tire that had the slime I put in oozing out but it held pressure.

I do notice that the tire seems to get punctures around the tubliss rim lock. I think the high rim lock and hard hits with low tire pressure causes this. I eas down to 8 psi on the front with a 756 tire.