OK really what can a guy rider faster?? A hot 150 2 stroke or a dated 250wr 2-stroke??

[fletchman45]

This is a serious debate I'm having with myself!! I have won many races on Husky 250's but have been riding a 150 Husky for a few years now. Which bike should a guy be able to ride faster in a 70 mile enduro??? The lightweight badboy 144(150) or the powerful 250WR?? Which could you ride faster and why??? After 2 years of top 20 overall finishes in enduros and a best of 12th overall, I need to stepup to break into the top 10 if possible at my old age and my health probs. Would a 250 help or hurt??? Please do not suggest I ride a 4 stroke!! Doesn't work for me. Thanks. My knees are shot, I'm 5 foot 7 (ok I know I'm short!) and weigh 165 pounds on a good day!! Have owned many 250's and 125-150's.................

 

[jmetteer]

For me it is the 125 all the way, I can ride it faster for longer. At the Idaho city ISDE last year my special test finishes in 30+ expert were, 7th, 9th, 5th, 3rd, and 1st out of 32 in my class. The first place put me in 26th overall out of 252 for that special test. I felt that at the 90 mile mark where that test was I could hold the same pace or even a bit faster than the early ones where it looked like the other riders were falling off a bit.

Later,

 

[WHITEROCKET5.9]

id say it depends on what type of terrain mainly, if its woodsy tight stuff the 150 should be a better option. if its more open with longer straights prevailing then id go with the 250 or bigger... my 2 cents

 

[Norman Foley]

Split the difference... Motosportz/Wallybean WR165!

 

[ajaxauto]

I rode my AMA National # 1 Plate holder 2008 CR 125 today with a new Walt 165 kit in it After the ride it would be hard to pick between my Zip Ty Racing CR 300
My 300 is nice and handles well with the KYBs and Ohlins shock and a tractor of a motor BUT it does carry about 30 more pounds.If you already have a 125 give Walts kit a try before you spend almost 10 grand on a building a new 300

 

[fletchman45]

Split the difference... Motosportz/Wallybean WR165!

I will not lie. The sounds of a 165 kit, sound good, but know matter who tells me, if it was not built ny the factory, I'm very VERY skeptical about reliability. I would also have to see dyno results to see if it is even worth it. Would like to wring on one for a long day and see if it pops (blows up) or not!!! If the performance increase is anything like the 125 to 144 (which it should not be) it would be sweet. At this point the 165 is not and option because of lack of knowledge of durability. But I will consider it. I'm going to do a job near Lake of the ozark in Missouri next month. Anyone have one of these 165's I can test???????????????

 

[wallybean]

I will not lie. The sounds of a 165 kit, sound good, but know matter who tells me, if it was not built ny the factory, I'm very VERY skeptical about reliability. I would also have to see dyno results to see if it is even worth it. Would like to wring on one for a long day and see if it pops (blows up) or not!!! If the performance increase is anything like the 125 to 144 (which it should not be) it would be sweet. At this point the 165 is not and option because of lack of knowledge of durability. But I will consider it. I'm going to do a job near Lake of the ozark in Missouri next month. Anyone have one of these 165's I can test???????????????

By all means stick to the proven tech. I don't think I really want to suffer through the blame game if you were to happen to have a problem. I will stand by my work with anyone and will always help anyone with any problem. I just don't think that you are a good fit for me personally considering the pennies I make on these kits compared to the work I put into the result. I can also assure you that the performance gains are more than real but I have yet to see a dyno chart win a race. The large increases in torque across the power band versus the 144 and ultimately peak HP numbers(nobody wins with HP) won't tell you how the motor really translates into traction, tractability, acceleration, and speed. I have abused the new piston/cylinder combination for many hours now with amazing results. It never fails to make me smile while riding.

I wish you good luck and appreciate your loyalty to and willingness to carry the Husky banner. I think you should keep on the 144 and ring its neck. In tight woods, I think it is hard to beat, especially as the hours add up at the end.

 

[Norman Foley]

By all means stick to the proven tech. I don't think I really want to suffer through the blame game if you were to happen to have a problem. I will stand by my work with anyone and will always help anyone with any problem. I just don't think that you are a good fit for me personally considering the pennies I make on these kits compared to the work I put into the result. I can also assure you that the performance gains are more than real but I have yet to see a dyno chart win a race. The large increases in torque across the power band versus the 144 and ultimately peak HP numbers(nobody wins with HP) won't tell you how the motor really translates into traction, tractability, acceleration, and speed. I have abused the new piston/cylinder combination for many hours now with amazing results. It never fails to make me smile while riding.

I wish you good luck and appreciate your loyalty to and willingness to carry the Husky banner. I think you should keep on the 144 and ring its neck. In tight woods, I think it is hard to beat, especially as the hours add up at the end.

I forgot that Fletch had the big doubts about non-factory mods. As Walt said... ride the 150!

 

[dartyppyt]

Race both. That's what I do. If the track is going to be tight and technical, then the 144 gets unloaded. If it is fast, more open and sand, unload the 250. There are advantages and dis-advantages to both bikes. Walt does top notch work and uses top o line resources, that's for sure.
I used to be alot faster and always taking fast risks (Sure we all been there). Several years ago, as I laid in the woods from taking a risk and was clothes line by a tree limb. I was 100% sure that I broke my neck and I realized that I wasn't a 20 year old anymore. One: Go have fun and do the best you can do. Two: I don't want to be in a wheel chair as I reach retirement age, but be able to ride as much as I can.

Called: Old Age Creeping Up!

 

[Motosportz]

WB165 for me hands down.

 

[robertaccio]

Fletch,
I cant get to the race level experience but for my latest forays with the ex-125cc machine (RM). I could ride that thing through the twisty single track screaming on the pipe throwing the ing into corners, railing berms and never get tired. At the track specifically at the Carlsbad Replica Track- Ranch at Anza MX same thing, mostly pinned barely tired. (age-50). The new chassis model CR/WR-125/144 should really be the sweet dealio while threading the trees. Best of luck.

 

[john01]

You sound like you run your races with the bike screaming and are a fast rider. Thinking this I would think a 250 would be better for you. Most of the top woods racers around me run 250's. Slower guys that like to run a gear higher without the drama run the 300's. Me....I'm 53, slow, and don't race. IF I did no doubt I would race a 144/165. I can't keep a 125 spinning at the top, they just don't have enough bottom to pull my fat butt, I would get tired fighting with a 250 at the top, a 300 just has too much pull as I don't like to lug all the time, and that's why the 144 just fits me. The 165 is just gonna be mo-better ! You can take dartyppyt's suggestion and race both that way you will have what you need for different track conditions.

 

[robertaccio]

One real answer. Lap times that is the real answer. Get a good loop with good terrain. for a few different days/weeks what ever. and ride the bikes at different times over the same course, ride them hard to your wear down time and get lap times and fitness feel. Lap times to me are always the answer. The tests I read alot always talk about "Hit" "feel" HP torque, Brakes, handling.....for race bikes lap times are the ultimate test.

 

[earl61]

My thoughts,raced rm 250's for 7 years rm 125 off and on was faster on the 250.Then bought a 2010 TXC 250 was faster on the husky,didnt relize how hard the 250's were on my 50 year old body untill i tryed something else. I'm just not a 4 stroke rider.Love the Husky chassis so went and bought a new CR125, have not raced the new bike yet but it's going to be very good****************************************

 

[Motosportz]

My thoughts,raced rm 250's for 7 years rm 125 off and on was faster on the 250.Then bought a 2010 TXC 250 was faster on the husky,didnt relize how hard the 250's were on my 50 year old body untill i tryed something else. I'm just not a 4 stroke rider.Love the Husky chassis so went and bought a new CR125, have not raced the new bike yet but it's going to be very good

I think you have hit the nail on the head. New frame IMHO is far better than what the 250/300 use. Both motors (125/144/165 - 250/300) will get you there.

 

[fletchman45]

Ok you guys are all helping me out. I may pick up a used 250 WR and do the lap time thing, I did this with a single track 7 mile setup and had a te 250 and wr 125 to get results. I was ALWAYS faster on the 125 for some reason. I like the advice, if it is tight the 144 and if it is open and sandy the 250**************************************** Walt for the record, I'm not stupid and do not point fingers. I run spectro sx at 40 to 1 with 92 octane and ALWAYS jet fat on the main (because of my riding style) I would like to test ride a 165, and I'm still not going to say that I will not go that direction. It is normal for us humans to dought things that we are not sure about or have not tried!! I'm sure you are not getting rich on the kit, and it is AWESOME that your doing it and getting more power out of a already sweet machine!!

 

[wallybean]

Ok you guys are all helping me out. I may pick up a used 250 WR and do the lap time thing, I did this with a single track 7 mile setup and had a te 250 and wr 125 to get results. I was ALWAYS faster on the 125 for some reason. I like the advice, if it is tight the 144 and if it is open and sandy the 250 Walt for the record, I'm not stupid and do not point fingers. I run spectro sx at 40 to 1 with 92 octane and ALWAYS jet fat on the main (because of my riding style) I would like to test ride a 165, and I'm still not going to say that I will not go that direction. It is normal for us humans to dought things that we are not sure about or have not tried!! I'm sure you are not getting rich on the kit, and it is AWESOME that your doing it and getting more power out of a already sweet machine!!

I wasn't calling you stupid at all. I just know that if you don't have total confidence in your equipment it can affect a lot of things not to mention how you ride. I can't provide you with any data or results that will adequately satisfy your desire for back up info. I just feel that it is better for you to ride the 150 or 250 this year and next year after a number of guys have a racing season on the kit you should have the information that can lead to the confidence factor you want.

 

[MattR]

I will not lie. The sounds of a 165 kit, sound good, but know matter who tells me, if it was not built ny the factory, I'm very VERY skeptical about reliability.

Not everything from the factory is bullet proof. Not to dis any brands, but I heard talks about KTM 144 engine problems, Honda had valve issues on 250 4T, etc. All factory designs, but anything can break. OE engineers are human and make mistakes too.

 

[krieg]

Love the Husky chassis so went and bought a new CR125, have not raced the new bike yet but it's going to be very good

CR, Bingo! I think Earl hits the jackpot. Put the 150 on that baby, ride it till it pops, then get a WB 165!

 

[fletchman45]

Not everything from the factory is bullet proof. Not to dis any brands, but I heard talks about KTM 144 engine problems, Honda had valve issues on 250 4T, etc. All factory designs, but anything can break. OE engineers are human and make mistakes too.

Sure I know there are flaws in certain products, but one thing I have discovered riding Huskys for 25 years. Both the 125-144 and the 250 2 =stroke engine are pretty much bullet proof!! If this 165 proves to have the same reliability as a factory Husky, I will probably give er a try!!