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Single Track Trail Discipline

robertaccio

robertaccio

Husqvarna
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To all (me on the all list too). Just a reminder (I know I've said it before).

Please use your very best trail discipline and stay in the cut groove/berm even when its uncomfortable for you.

We rode a "special test"/"training loop" early Sat morn and found almost every hairpin had been cut with an almost straight shot corner to the inside line on the hairpins. Please don't straighten out the corners.
I am not mad just disappointed, it's not a race track where the shortest line is best, the corners are layed out "stupid hairpin curvy" on purpose.
Also: 1 very tight one tire width single track has very minimal impact on the local terrain (for another thought).
Thanks All, Rob
 
And remove the freakin' cholla cactus from the middle of the track that you accidentally got snagged on and kicked into the trail!:censored:
 
Just watching the first Shane Watts "DirtWise" vid.... he spends a lot of time talking about "Alternative" line selection. Shane and other instructors don't differentiate between "Trail Riding" and "Racing", but neither do a bunch of riders "Racing" each other on a "Trail Ride".

Ride with one fast guy on a CRF250X and you would think he was on a CR500 the way the trail looks after he goes through. Another guy who is just as fast on a TE250, you can hardly see that he rode over the trail.... Two trail oriented 250F's and 2 different styles, just as fast, go figure.
 
Norm, fully understood about the Wattsy logic and your trail rider style thing.
I will try to snap some photos to visually explain my point for some of "our" little test loops and the new shortcut lines that some folks have cut in, that kinda ruins the intended uncomfortable technicality of the corner. (PS remember no solid trees to go around in most of our stuff here to create barriers).
Think about a 90 deg left to 20 feet straight into a complete U hairpin to 30 feet straight to another sharp left, now think to just go straight at the first left and meet the trail at the out of the U 30 foot straight to 90 deg left. (sounds silly but it works out) If it were a ST section ribbon would be on it, its all a pretend ribboned section.
 
robertaccio said:
Norm, fully understood about the Wattsy logic and your trail rider style thing.
I will try to snap some photos to visually explain my point for some of "our" little test loops and the new shortcut lines that some folks have cut in, that kinda ruins the intended uncomfortable technicality of the corner. (PS remember no solid trees to go around in most of our stuff here to create barriers).
Think about a 90 deg left to 20 feet straight into a complete U hairpin to 30 feet straight to another sharp left, now think to just go straight at the first left and meet the trail at the out of the U 30 foot straight to 90 deg left. (sounds silly but it works out) If it were a ST section ribbon would be on it, its all a pretend ribboned section.
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Rob,
I can picture it for sure. We have some ST Grass Track sections, where you have to be on your honor to follow the trail. Riders cut corners and then cut corners on cut corners! But Wattsy told me to ride the "Inside" line!:notworthy:
 
there is a huge group of scramblers that ride the heck out of an area we ride in,its off limits anyway,but the area has many miles of trail,no matter what,they all race each other to the point where they will straight line it across the woods if the see the trail loops around to catch back up,they constantly cut the corners banging bars and trying to get an advantage on a trail ride!
 
Out here in Arizona the same issue has been a hot point in club forums.
Same message - trail riding is on the honor system - and cutting corners quickly destroys the trail.
On race day the 10 foot rule is fine - on a competitive trail ride it's not.
 
Yeah, Mike knows it has gotten under my skin a bit how some people start cutting, or as I like to call it, "race coursing", the single track. I'll shut up now before I start going on a rant!
 
One guy on the pipe with a knobby does the damage of 4 or 5 guys with trials tires especially when it's the least bit muddy. This all goes back to the tread lightly rule to help preserve trail riding areas.
 
I find Aussie most riders stick to the ST and only cut when big trees fall etc. Most damage is done by the quad riders. I really find it hard to be in their proximity, they really cut up the country
 
I should have mentioned that the knobby really doesn't really affect the ground here in the Ozarks since it's mostly rocks and along the creeks sand and gravel.

I can also relate to the green briars we also have wild roses which I think are worse. I buy cheap 3XL Tall dress shirts when they are on clearance for about $10 and wear them over my gear until they are shredded, this saves my gear a little wear and tear. Another hazard from cutting the trail around here is big vines hanging from the trees that seem to always end up around your neck jerking you off your bike. Frequently my riding buddies and I will have marks that look like we narrowly escaped a lynch mob.
 
I agree with ghte. Here in the middle of nowhere, Missouri we call them quadtards. After a quadtard goes down a ST trail it becomes a road. The riding area at my house is completely off limits to quadtards. Everyone here is welcome to come ride my 8 mile single-track. Just watch out for the tree monsters. Every once in a while you'll have one jump out in front of you. Check out my website www.briggs.studiocdz.com for pics, videos, trail map, directions, and contact info. Just took some new helmet cam video Sunday. will get it up ASAP. In the video you'll get to see what happens when the tree monster jumps out in front of you.
 
Briggs said:
I agree with ghte. Here in the middle of nowhere, Missouri we call them quadtards. After a quadtard goes down a ST trail it becomes a road. The riding area at my house is completely off limits to quadtards. Everyone here is welcome to come ride my 8 mile single-track. Just watch out for the tree monsters. Every once in a while you'll have one jump out in front of you. Check out my website www.briggs.studiocdz.com for pics, videos, trail map, directions, and contact info. Just took some new helmet cam video Sunday. will get it up ASAP. In the video you'll get to see what happens when the tree monster jumps out in front of you.
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I'm only 1 hour 20 minutes away, I might take you up on your offer to ride.

I have 15 acres near Rolla with a little practice area. As soon as someone rides it with a GoPro I will post it up as well.

+1 on the quadtards.
 
lankydoug said:
I'm only 1 hour 20 minutes away, I might take you up on your offer to ride.

I have 15 acres near Rolla with a little practice area. As soon as someone rides it with a GoPro I will post it up as well.

+1 on the quadtards.
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Come on out. Should have guys riding there today while I'm stuck here at work.
 
lankydoug said:
I should have mentioned that the knobby really doesn't really affect the ground here in the Ozarks since it's mostly rocks and along the creeks sand and gravel.

I can also relate to the green briars we also have wild roses which I think are worse. I buy cheap 3XL Tall dress shirts when they are on clearance for about $10 and wear them over my gear until they are shredded, this saves my gear a little wear and tear. Another hazard from cutting the trail around here is big vines hanging from the trees that seem to always end up around your neck jerking you off your bike. Frequently my riding buddies and I will have marks that look like we narrowly escaped a lynch mob.
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You might wanna consider an enduro \ dual sport tire ... Many tires whip a knobby in rocks, stones, creek beds, rock faces, ESP if wet .. In fact almost anywhere except mud and loam, a knobby is not the best rear tire by a long shot ...
 
ray_ray said:
You might wanna consider an enduro \ dual sport tire ... Many tires whip a knobby in rocks, stones, creek beds, rock faces, ESP if wet .. In fact almost anywhere except mud and loam, a knobby is not the best rear tire by a long shot ...
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Around here in the summer it is hard pack with rocks roots and logs and a MT43 is like velcro but right now it will freeze and than thaw only the top one inch of clay which is like greased ice, then when it thaws completely it's deep slippery mud because the frost loosens up the dirt. Riding on this through the trees is just plain scary since you really never know the degree of how thawed it is until you brake or turn and to add to the thrill much of it is covered with leaves.

My backyard riding area is not that rocky and a good knobby might help form some berms so I was actually considering a Bridgestone 404. If you have a favorite tire that you like I'd like to hear which one and why, BTW I run Tubliss front and back.
 
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