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449/511 Breather hose mod

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  1. oregonsage 4st Clerk

    Location:
    Dry Washington
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    FX450
    Other Motorcycles:
    Yamaha DT400 x 2, BMW G310R
    I hear the air box will hold a bit of oil.......
    oregonsage, Feb 15, 2013
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  2. oregonsage 4st Clerk

    Location:
    Dry Washington
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    FX450
    Other Motorcycles:
    Yamaha DT400 x 2, BMW G310R
    Pun intended
    oregonsage, Feb 15, 2013
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  3. Tinken Husqvarna
    Pro Class

    Location:
    Hesperia, CA
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    MY12 WR511
    Other Motorcycles:
    Yamaha
    That's exactly how you have to run it if you want the oil to go back to the crankcase, because it will not flow back through the OEM breather.
    Tinken, Feb 15, 2013
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  4. Tinken Husqvarna
    Pro Class

    Location:
    Hesperia, CA
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    MY12 WR511
    Other Motorcycles:
    Yamaha
    Hey, I just wash my air filters, never oil them. The engine does it for me.
    Tinken, Feb 15, 2013
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  5. Motosportz CH Sponsor

    Location:
    Vancouver WA
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    2021 TE250i, 570 Berg, 500 KTM, 790R
    Other Motorcycles:
    many
    thats what I do to. Did it about a year ago, no issues. I think the combo of the suction from the motor and the low height of the end of the breather conspired to suck oil onto the filter. Mount it out of the box and higher and you are good to go.
    Motosportz, Feb 15, 2013
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  6. Motosportz CH Sponsor

    Location:
    Vancouver WA
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    2021 TE250i, 570 Berg, 500 KTM, 790R
    Other Motorcycles:
    many
    it won't? my oil level is steady and no oil on my filter at the end of the longer higher breather?
    Motosportz, Feb 15, 2013
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  7. Tinken Husqvarna
    Pro Class

    Location:
    Hesperia, CA
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    MY12 WR511
    Other Motorcycles:
    Yamaha
    Nope. That's what Ty said to me and I didn't believe him so I hooked a quart of oil up to the breather and sure enough, it would not flow back to the case. Something to do with the gasses flowing through the torque limiter, it isn't just a straight hole. To combat this problem, Ty and I designed a whole new breather hole for the Kymco engine. Production run of new breathers will be done next week. Should have them up for sale on the website near the end of next week.
    Tinken, Feb 15, 2013
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  8. Tinken Husqvarna
    Pro Class

    Location:
    Hesperia, CA
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    MY12 WR511
    Other Motorcycles:
    Yamaha
    It could be that you don't run 1200cc's in your engine. I bet if you increased your oil quantity to 1150cc that you would have more oil in your tube.
    Tinken, Feb 15, 2013
    #348

  9. Rearwheelin Husqvarna
    Pro Class

    Location:
    Bakersfield , OffroadAfornia
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    2013 XCW 300
    Why is it a kymco engine ? Over and over kymco kymco.... Any flaws with the motor and that's on husky / BMW ... Kymco gave them exactly what they wanted period. Its like Apple makes there stuff in china. and whose falt is it for blowing up so many ZipTy bikes , Ty or the rider , I don't see any on on hear blow up a TE 511 yet... Just saying.
    Rearwheelin, Feb 15, 2013
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  10. oregonsage 4st Clerk

    Location:
    Dry Washington
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    FX450
    Other Motorcycles:
    Yamaha DT400 x 2, BMW G310R
    I for one am just pointing out the mfg, nothing negative intended.

    And I also have not heard of any real problems with this engine, even with reduced oil. I just change mine compulsively. The extra capacity seems a great idea for longer or harsher riding, but I'm quite confident that my Engineered by BMW/Husqvarna, built by Kymco engines will have reasonable lifespans if I continue to maintain them well.

    A guy like Ty has the ability to work his machinery a lot harder than I do !
    oregonsage, Feb 15, 2013
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  11. Tinken Husqvarna
    Pro Class

    Location:
    Hesperia, CA
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    MY12 WR511
    Other Motorcycles:
    Yamaha
    Interesting you asked such a question. I'm not here making things up to gain interest in a particular project, nor am I attempting to cause alarm or panic. I would simply like to work through this issue and come up with a better solution to happy riding.

    I actually had an in person meeting with Husqvarna North America recently and we happened to discuss a little of this as well as many other great things to come.

    Here is a link to Malcolm and Alexander racing the Norra 2012. Read carefully about the MSR TE511 exploding 200 miles into the race. Now this is not a race bike, it is a regular stock bike like everyone elses, it just has an exhaust like mine, no JD or PCV.
    http://www.cafehusky.com/threads/check-out-malcoms-bike.25101/#post-226088
    http://www.cafehusky.com/threads/check-out-malcoms-bike.25101/page-2#post-239691
    I have discussed this with Alexander Smith who told me the damages totaled over $2000 dollars. This isn't one fluke accident, look back at Dakar very carefully and tell me exactly how many Kymco engines they blew up? All of them? :thumbsup:
    Tinken, Feb 15, 2013
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  12. ascribner Husqvarna
    AA Class

    Location:
    Keller, TX
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    2012 SMR511
    Other Motorcycles:
    2011 Daytona 675, 2009 KTM 200SX
    So you are saying I should almost double the amount of oil I just put in the bike?
    ascribner, Feb 15, 2013
    #352

  13. oregonsage 4st Clerk

    Location:
    Dry Washington
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    FX450
    Other Motorcycles:
    Yamaha DT400 x 2, BMW G310R
    Actually I think we are saying the same thing...200 miles at speed on a dirt bike without stopping is fairly unusual in my experience. And Dakar is the definition of harsh riding. At most we tend to race 2 hours at average speeds more like 30-40 with a lot of variation in RPM, and when not racing then 5-10 mile spurts while waiting for the slow guy (thats me) to catch up.

    And I certainly didn't mean to imply anything about Ty blowing up bikes. I was a local pro level MX rider many years ago, and the percentage of the time I spent on the gas hard was much more then than it is now. Any good rider is pushing the machinery much of the time. Lets not forget that Ty and Nick rode these things with considerable success in desert races. Cory Graffunder showed up here last year and ran away from the field on a 511 at the Funky Chicken and 3 hours later it was still running strong, but Im sure they didnt run it for 2 years that way.

    Lots of 449/511s around my neighborhood that are holding up well being ridden as casual trail bikes, and one being raced by brother who rides pretty hard, but is actually quite gentle on the bike. Its hard to use all that power when most of the straight stretches are only a couple hundred yards long. He's smooth and keeps up momentum, no need to work the engine when you have a huge lead.

    I think there is real value in the extra capacity oil cooling being talked about and I very much intend to buy one for my dualsport 449 which sees an occasional 100 mile day with higher average speeds, but I also dont think the average trail rider needs to be too concerned if they change the oil every week or two, or after every ride. It aint an XR650 Honda and cant be maintained like one if you want long life out of it.
    oregonsage, Feb 15, 2013
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  14. oregonsage 4st Clerk

    Location:
    Dry Washington
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    FX450
    Other Motorcycles:
    Yamaha DT400 x 2, BMW G310R
    Even the lower half of site glass level should be 800 plus with drain and oil filter change.
    oregonsage, Feb 15, 2013
    #354

  15. Tinken Husqvarna
    Pro Class

    Location:
    Hesperia, CA
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    MY12 WR511
    Other Motorcycles:
    Yamaha
    1150cc is max fill.
    Tinken, Feb 15, 2013
    #355

  16. Caiman Senior Vice Procrastinator

    Location:
    Australia
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    SWM SM500R
    Challenge accepted... hehe
    Caiman, Feb 15, 2013
    #356
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  17. Rearwheelin Husqvarna
    Pro Class

    Location:
    Bakersfield , OffroadAfornia
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    2013 XCW 300
    So why not redesign the piston and rings for less blow by ? and thanks for throwing the cards on the table. When I had my breather pointed at the funnel on my test videos (lol) it would ripple the oil surface . Interesting that when I had 2000cc in I couldn't get oil to come out the breather, seems like the oil shuffles around between compartments with different fill amounts and oil temps and viscosity might have huge roll. I think that the breather needs to be free'er flowing to help with these issues is why I'm going half inch on the breather box hoses.
    Rearwheelin, Feb 15, 2013
    #357

  18. Tinken Husqvarna
    Pro Class

    Location:
    Hesperia, CA
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    MY12 WR511
    Other Motorcycles:
    Yamaha
    Here's the thing that gets me; Simon Pavey ran all 14 days at Dakar on the same engine. He ran 10w40 and dual radiator fans, no oil cooling. I believe he cooled the engine sufficiently through oil flow and coolant temperatures.
    Tinken, Feb 15, 2013
    #358

  19. Caiman Senior Vice Procrastinator

    Location:
    Australia
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    SWM SM500R
    One would assume with his relatively limited budget he didn't have the "thrash the living fsck out of it 'til it goes bang then change what broke" mentality of a factory team rider.
    Caiman, Feb 15, 2013
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  20. Caiman Senior Vice Procrastinator

    Location:
    Australia
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    SWM SM500R
    I remember watching one of his bike prep video's and his mechanic modified some force radiator guards so that they could fit a 2nd fan, Speedbrain made their own frame and most everything else!
    Caiman, Feb 15, 2013
    #360
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