FE/FC 4cs Puzzle Solved

LOL I don't know but from what I "hear" they (4CS) are cheaper to produce and they work even cheaper than that. From all I've read and heard from friends I agree, the OC's are better than the 4CS. You would think KTM could have figured that out.

I think the air forks are less expensive while the 4cs were not refined and working properly before they were produced.

No I think you misunderstood the statement. WP discontinued the CC forks, which were good but expensive to produce and replaced them with the 4CS forks which has been rumored to cost $150 per bike less to produce. Add that up and it is allot of $. The OC forks have nothing to do with the statement. I chose the 300 xc w because it has OC forks and I can easily tune them with minimal $. The PDS will be a new venture for me though but my tuner tells me they are good and easy to tune for woods riding so we'll see. Definitely no future 4CS purchases for me in the future. God help us if they go the way of air forks. It may be time to buy stock in OHLINS...

On the subject that these 4CS forks cost less to produce.
When I sent the forks away to suspension matters it took a while for them to arrive.Some intellectual put them down in a depot and forgot to pick them back up.... anyway point is:
The freight company offers insurance but when I looked up the price for the forks I was in a state of panic!
When I talked to Dave at suspension matters he told me in case they get lost it is CHEAPER to replace them with new OHLINS forks than to buy the WP4CS again from KTM/Husqvarna.

Go figure!

Luckily they arrived 3 days later....

EBAY. Under a grand. I see them all the time.

When I ship my forks or shock to a tuner I insure them for enough to buy Ohlins and hope they get lost. So far I haven't hit the jackpot.

Hummmm I have a part that I'm waiting on from UPS now. They keep showing it's "out for delivery". I think they lost it. Maybe it's time to play the lankydoug lotto with my 4CS . Great idea btw.

Ha ha Yeah, just start shipping them all over the place until you BINGO

pardon my ignorance as my dirtbike experience is almost zero, but I do have experience with suspension from my car racing background....

Im just curious if the Stillwell video below sums it up well and if anyone has used Stillwell to solve/tune it, results?

I'm sure they are up to scratch too, as most suspension tuners in the know.
Not always good to compare from a video as the knowledge and solutions to the problem evolves and new parts and setups are tried.
Almost all the proper solutions I have seen- heard so far involve the base cap replaced by a compression adjuster, which brings compression at the bottom and rebound at the top for both legs.
Most tuners use this solution.

Would be good to hear from someone running their setup.

" I expect that all the really fast guys have their own preferred suspension that they migrate from bike to bike or at least the internal parts of the forks are what they prefer."

and none of them (top tier Pros) use the 4CS forks they all use WP A kit cone valve forks........that has always spoken volumes to me.

Personally I think the Zip ty setup would work fine for me... just turn them back into CC or OC forks where you can move some fluid thru it....

Has anyone used factory connections set up where they keep the stock clickers and just change up the valving. I personally like the idea of having easy to adjust clickers just on top of the forks. If it won't work then obviously I will do what it takes to make them right.

Mess maker read the first post in the thread, the K-Tech setup that I'm running is reb & comp on top.
Just to follow up on my original post, I've put plenty of Km's onto the new suspension & I still haven't had a single one of the known 4cs issues appear.
The bike is 100% predictable now so my confidence has returned & with that my consistency & pace is better than it's ever been.

ProTuneSuspension at (740) 988-6673, is Corey. Aka ds1434 at ktmtalk. He has been developing good tunes for the 4cs and now has a fix with just valving. I think it's $399 and he us a top notch guy to deal with.

My kids two bikes are running Corey's Race Tech GV fitted earlier version solution and he loves them.

My own 16 fc450 was packing on small stuff like braking bumps but at 5 hours it's actually really good on the track. Best I've had and I've had 50mm WP, 43 and 49mm OC, CC, and variations of the horrid Marzocci 45/50.

Mine were FC with clickers like stock... worked good and my brother modified a little more....

I sent mine to Stillwell...1400 bucks for forks and shock. I'm a total Barney so keep that in mind. It fixed the "this bike wants to kill me" to "I can finally keep up with my buddies". I rode a bike with the ZipTy mod and I would say that it's a better option - get that and take your extra money and buy a slip-on.

Funny how every suspension thread turns into a Stillwell/Kreft/ZipTy advert.
My original post was about the new K-Tech setup I'm currently running & enjoying.
Not every member is in the U.S & has easy access to the 3 big tuners that seem to flood every thread & it's not just this particular forum either.
K-Tech have technicians worldwide so I thought it would be a good option for Husky riders on other parts of the planet or anyone not wanting to run Frankenforks that have had more work done than Burt Reynolds face.
Everyone gets their own opinion & that's a great thing, but enough is enough of the thread derailing!

Anyway enjoy the new year & make the most of any seat time you get.

How much K-Tech setup?