I understand that the original airbox was designed as a "still air" box, the Pod filter with it's silicon tube effectively creates a "ram-tube", which in theory (& in practice) would improve mid-range torque Certainly on my Terra there was a noticeably improvement in the 2,500-4,500 rpm range, plus a deep throated induction roar at full throttle which wasn't there before, much easier to wheelie too
Paul, I believe your installation must be different in some way. I can't think of anyone that has had this experience except yourself. I believe someone had to shorten the vertical member of his silicone coupler pipe to improve performance and fit but that is the only other time I've read about. Did you keep the vertical portion of the pipe as short as possible? And this isn't a "belief" this is the collective experience of a lot of TR owners who have done the mod. As far as the "ram theory" I wouldn't know about that but I had my mechanical engineer son calculate the surface area of the OEM vs the Uni filter and they are almost indentical. What you are really changing is the air box and if you did the mod in such a way as to allow the air box top to refitted after the installation all you should notice is a deeper growl from the air box and increased torque and performance from the engine. Sorry to dispute you but I think something is different with your installation. Also, I have been on the TR forum long enough now to determine that if any given bike mod was crap, you'd here about here for sure.
Hey Charlie, thanks for your constructive and understanding words. As always "The Diplomat" Fired from the hip and missed! Apologies K9 & Everyone and yes I will have another look
I think that your "mechanical engineer son" maybe incorrect in his calculations, taking into account the actual size of the hole that the airbox fits against & the loss of area due to the paper element Just my suggestion, naturally
He took into account all surfaces that come into contact with the airbox and allowed for those, he then calculated only the free air surfaces that were left. Of course the mod wasn't an exact match but was only slightly greater than stock. I will see if he saved those calculations and if available I will post them. Suggestion noted. The performance of my personal bike is excellent now with the Pod Mod and LC2 installed. In my mind (convoluted as it may be) I am done tinkering with air box and performance mods. Just guessing because I haven't dyno tested the bike but I think I have near a 10-15% gain in torque. Overall driveability on a scale of 1-10 has gone from 6 at purchase to a very strong 9. Smile factor is off the chart. So, now that I am satisfied with driveability I am going to concentrate on suspension.
Have fitted the pod filter and have not noticed any significant change to the bikes performance. This may be because the pod filter was fitted after the air box door was modified. Air box door mod made a big difference to the amount of air getting into the engine. I used the american uni filter with the 15 degree bend rather than the australian uni filter which has a 30 degree bend. Maybe the extra angle is pushing more of the filter foam against the side of the air box reducing the surface area - just a thought! Also made sure the connector between the filter and the elbow was a thin walled aluminium tube so as not to restrict the airflow.
Certainly the air box pod mods, the GPR single exhaust & the Booster Plug, changed a "temperamental bitch" into a really cool Honey
Yes, the air box design and with its sizeable volume is actually quite good but sadly not manufactured or implemented well with the air leaks & filter cage hassle. "As I said "Even tho its floored"". Would have been interesting to see the factory fix for this Husqvarna blunder. BMW's bastard child, run-it once said. For a bike like this, "still air" box, and a "ram-tube"? OK Apologies, what I should have said is, I doubt this has any effect
Yes, it is a very well designed airbox for performance. I thought the easy change filter was a very good approach. If they'd only done a decent job on the sealing surfaces I'd have never bothered with the POD Mod. I suspect they ran into an injection molding hurdle in creating the final sealing ledge. That was a very complicated mold to start with and many of those surfaces create ejection problems and sometimes you just can't solve it, even with movable pieces in the mold. I suspect it could have been solved with a little more effort but like a couple other things on the bike I think they ran out of time or development funds. Usually there is a development budget, it's not an endless well of money or time to get the bikes "just right" and that's why we see stuff like this. KTM has EXACTLY the same problem on their 1190 Adventure bikes which is just now starting to surface in a big way. This photo shows how ugly it can get on those bikes, YIKES!!! On a $16k bike no less.
16...25...who cares. After watching a mate struggling to keep up with just the plain issue of his bike actually in his garage or the dealer's shop this morning (due to the rapid and never-ending back+forth re: warranty repairs), endless bits falling off, busting, popping, cracking, new engine under warranty, brake-cylinders leaking, shock 3times, 4 popped fork seals, etc etc....another mate seizing an engine after 60km dust intake following a mate on a Sun afternoon Cafe jaunt shortcut (2014 1190, NOT the R, new bike provided under warranty after 4800km) the endless 690 sagas with similar problems and then some....I'd shoot myself before before shelling out a single $ for a Katoom-junkbox. Looks like the same fuggwit-designer having slapped-up the TR airbox. Tuned? Yeah, sure...
They've had plenty of time to sort the air box and send advice to the dealers for remedy. Don't expect perfection in a new model but I would expect any problems to be sorted as they arise. In Australia the machine is warrantied by consumer protection laws well beyond the manufacturers 2 years. So if the engine goes ,in say, 5 years under normal use, a claim can be made to have it repaired or replaced. Husqvarna are taking risk management to the extreme on this issue. Personally, I've taken note, which will be taken into consideration on my next purchase. Triumphs are looking good (and I'll be keeping the Husky)
Of course not...but something as profoundly basic as an airbox/ aircleaner for a combustion engine seems to be something even the Chinese had right in their $200 pit-bike crappers from 10 years ago. This is basic engineering 101, not rocket-science. ??? Hehhh, since when? That's something new and juicy then. Got any relevant consumer law and sample cases to refer to, weblinks, press-releases etc? 2 years in Oz, and that's it for the statutory warranty (factory warranties can be longer, but NOT less than 2 years unless the vehicle is used for commercial purposes i.e. taxi etc)... NOT a day more. If any vehicle supplier/ manufacturer/ importer etc goes beyond that, it's up to their discretion ONLY!....NOT the law! (besides the fact, that any legal case will cost the multiples of the value of the vehicle if one would try).
Glitch, it's my day off and I'm not a lawyer! Rant and ramble following. I'm assuming Husqvarna are relying on our limited resources to prove and fund a case as part of their risk management strategy. And most civil matters are settled out of court/tribunal with 'Terms not to be disclosed' which means no publicity and no precedent. I agree with the air box comment. My comment was based on the premise that when the air box problems arose it should have been fixed and we should have been told to take them back to the dealer for rectification. Shameful it hasn't happened and does not look as it will happen. Vehicle prone to stalling and stumbling, wheel bearing failures and air filter that does not filter. If it was a car it would be recalled or be on the front pages. What are we doing wrong? For starters http://www.consumerlaw.gov.au/conte...loads/industry_guides/motor_vehicle_sales.pdf Warranty outside the standard 2 years: We could argue, inspecting the air box is not a normal consumer activity. We would be reliant that the manufacturer would guarantee that it would suit the purpose for which it is for, being to stop dirt and dust entering the engine for the life of the machine. Engine damage due to manufacturing/design fault.
The owners of course, as well as the motorcycling public. KTM or more to the point AHG are continually pushing the boundaries when it comes to "what the market can afford" in Australia. This in turn allows other importers to do the same.
If KTM/AHG finds enough dumb suckers to pay that sort of dosh for that sort of product...good on 'em!! Simple as that, the market always sorts itself out. I knew pretty well what I was getting when signing up for a new Strada, but at A$5500 with a warranty + backup worth shit, I was happy to take the punt. I think it paid off.....but any more and I would've just walked away, no 2. thoughts at all. If they start flogging the 1190R for under 10 grand new, I might start to think about that one, too...if only as a suspension/ frontend/brakes donor for something more reliable like a 1000 Strom/ Super Ten or so. Tossing all those bikes and figures around....the new Tiger 800 XcX is one hell of a package for the $$....with very few flaws!! Blew me away on a testride a few weeks ago (slobber!). That bike certainly is a yardstick for the other players, no doubt.
Don't expect perfection in a new model... And rightly so... Well when I brought my first KLR650A1 back in '88, ironically through the PFG Gold Coast. I was notified after 15 months that the tank was faulty, mine was fine but they replaced it anyway. After 3+ years I got notification again saying that the engine mounts and tank rubbers had to be replaced. Upon inspection it was decided (without me) that they would replace the tank for a second time. There are some dealers and importers that want to do the right thing. And I'm quite sure if BMuu hadn't of sold out to Katoom then the Paul Feeney Group would have gone to bat for us and the TR ps chinese pit-bikes dont have air boxes, they have....err pods
