1. 4 Stroke Husqvarna Motorcycles Made In Austria - About 2014 & Newer
    FE = 4st Enduro & FC = 4st Cross

FE/FC Fuel conditioning?

Discussion in '4st' started by s10gto, Oct 13, 2015.

  1. lankydoug Husqvarna
    Pro Class

    Location:
    MO
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    WR
    Other Motorcycles:
    TM 300en
    I wonder what it is that they use as a drying agent, I guess that's all the more reason to run a cap full of synthetic 2 stroke oil in the 4 stroke fuel, 2 strokes should have it covered.
  2. robertaccio Husqvarna
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    Location:
    San Diego, Ca
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    2021 Husqvarna TE300i
    Other Motorcycles:
    99 HusqvarnaTE610, 94 Husaberg FC501
    I wish physical conditioning was this easy. I need a lot of additives to prevent corrosion.
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  3. lankydoug Husqvarna
    Pro Class

    Location:
    MO
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    WR
    Other Motorcycles:
    TM 300en
    Wild Turkey 101 is my preferred additive.
  4. racemx904 Husqvarna
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    Location:
    owenton, ky
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    2014 Beta 350RR & 1986 430XC
    Other Motorcycles:
    1975 Rokon and 2004 Kawasaki KX65
    It's not meant for high rpm engines it's a slower burning fuel
  5. Jim Hamilla Husqvarna
    AA Class

    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    2014 FE250
    Other Motorcycles:
    96 XR250, 96 CR250
    I am using Sunoco 112 octane leaded mixed with 91 octane ethanol free. 50/50 mix.
    works out to 7 dollars a gallon.
  6. Huskynoobee CH Sponsor ZipTy Racing

    Location:
    Castaic, CA
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    2011 TE449 2006 WR250
    Other Motorcycles:
    HDUltra Classic IT200 YZ250 SV650s
    That's good because I'm slow!
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  7. Huskynoobee CH Sponsor ZipTy Racing

    Location:
    Castaic, CA
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    2011 TE449 2006 WR250
    Other Motorcycles:
    HDUltra Classic IT200 YZ250 SV650s
    Just a thought doesn't all high Octane fuel burn slower thus helping prevent ping or detonation in higher compression/performance engines?
  8. isldtime Husqvarna
    AA Class

    Location:
    Symsonia, Ky.
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    2013 TR650 STRADA
    Other Motorcycles:
    2002 Ural Tourist

    Yes! And it can make an engine designed for 87 hard to start in cold weather.
  9. letitsnow Husqvarna
    AA Class

    Location:
    mn
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    FC250
    Other Motorcycles:
    CBR600F4

    Off topic, but somewhat related to octane - In a previous life I raced a Suzuki Ltz400 in the woods. That machine ran BETTER on 87 octane fuel than anything else. One of my sponsors (Laz from GT Thunder) told me that it was due to the head design on that particular motor. I used to laugh as I was winning A class races on that machine, racing against the finicky 450's.
  10. lankydoug Husqvarna
    Pro Class

    Location:
    MO
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    WR
    Other Motorcycles:
    TM 300en
    VP110 is even higher octane and slower burning so once you have your high performance engine tuned for race fuel you actually take advantage of these characteristics by advancing the timing and or leaning out the fuel mixture which will give you more mid range torque without detonation. I've re-tuned my sons YZ450 with a GYTR tuner to take advantage of race fuel or AV100 and there is a noticeable seat of the pants difference in performance. The same is true for my WR250 Husky which had to be de-tuned/rich on pump gas so not to ping/detonate at lugging low rpm but with race fuel could be tuned lean and crisp from bottom to top.
  11. lankydoug Husqvarna
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    Location:
    MO
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    WR
    Other Motorcycles:
    TM 300en
    If your engine is lower compression and tuned for the faster burning low octane fuel you don't benefit from race fuel. If you would have switched to a high compression head or if it was a 4 stroke with a cam profile to raise static compression and a high compression head then anything but race fuel would destroy the engine.

    In respect to this thread "fuel conditioning" octane is relevant because higher octane race fuels are by nature "more pure" distilled off the top of the vapor, kind of like the cream that rises to the top so they are going to evaporate cleanly rather than leave behind gum and varnish an corrode so race fuel doesn't need additives the way pump gas does. Keep in mind pump gas is really a much lesser fuel that already has additives just to raise the octane to 87 or 91 so when the additives evaporate off or begin to absorb moisture your 91 octane starts going down hill fast... additives like Stabil slow this process down.
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  12. s10gto Husqvarna
    A Class

    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    350 fe
    Other Motorcycles:
    yz250 kdx220 klx250s
    Anyone try this? bel_15_oil_all_in_one_fue_tre_4oz.jpg
  13. nep2012 Husqvarna
    A Class

    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    2012 te 310
    Has anybody used Liquid Performance ethanol equalizer? Central Jersey Cycles where I got my 2015 FE 350 recommended this and I have been using it. Have 2100 miles and have had no problems with the bike at all. Bob at Central Jersey told me the most problems he sees with bikes coming in for problems is fuel related. Said ethanol is bad.
  14. Big Timmy Husqvarna
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    Location:
    (South Eastern) AZ.
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    2015 FE 501 with lots of goodies.
    Other Motorcycles:
    BMW G450X, 15'FE501, 23 KTM 1290 SAR
    Carburetor icing can occur in any piston engine if altitude, moisture, ambient temperature and other atmospheric conditions are met. It doesn't have to be freezing out for this to happen though.

    This would of course occur in air cooled engines especially, as there is no warm engine coolant flowing through the engine that would prevent this. Or the addition of both exhaust gasses and engine coolant through the intake manifold tract like on some cars that prevent this.

    Some motorcycles can definitely suffer from carburetor icing more than others. Fuel injected motorcycles suffer from this phenomenon much less because their is little or no taper, or venturi effect on a throttle body. FI components can freeze though and that includes parts associated with operation of the butterfly valve. Not good.

    A pod type filter on a motorcycle with a carb is more prone to this carb icing phenomenon than a properly designed airbox equipped motorcycle.

    Why does this happen ?

    It could be 60-70 degrees Fahrenheit out there and if there is enough humidity in the air the Carburetor's venturi affect, alone can drop the incoming ambient air temperature up to 30-40 degrees F., enough to cause the "water vapor" in the air to freeze, thereby causing carburetor icing. This ice is the result of the air freezing and it happens at the surfaces of the carbs throat, before it ever even begins to start mixing with any gasoline. This causes an immediate rich running condition.

    This is more of an airbox or engine design flaw though, rather than a fuel issue. High levels of humidity is what causes carb icing.

    Since this is winter time and many of us do run pump gas. That does have ethanol in it. Using a fuel conditioner that takes care of that ethanol is a good idea.

    Additionally, if you ride in the snow and the snow flakes are really large. This is an indication of a higher amount of moisture/humidity in the air. If it's powdery snow, not so much.

    If its cold enough outside and all the other atmospheric conditions are just right. Carburetor ice can occur.

    Even at 60-70 degrees F. Which is considered cold for where I'm at, in AZ.