TE/TC Going on record as a Hater

Yep that looks like mine, thanks.

Again just because it says 4cs doesn't mean they're all the same, there are 4-5 versions out there. The Husabergs were one KTM had a couple and husky has 1-2 versions. Some seem to work and others don't. This I all from a handful of tuners I've talked with who have been dealing with 4cs since they came out. I didnt ask for anymore detail but my understanding is not all 4cs are the same.

I really didnt want to start one of those misinformed/uninformed internet threads. So I resent my title when I look at it. Also bear in mind I am a mostly average 50 expert offroader ie: in some races I'm a podium guy in other forms Im a class midpack rider ( in MX I would be way back from most 50As), hardcore enduro= podium potential, XC, H&H upper half of the 50As. I am no pro I came into the A class from the other direction (ammie) and Im really not great at setting up my suspension I depend on pro tuners to hand me what I like and I really know good stuff and have ridden really good stuff as a comparison for why I have been bummed about this new set up. My disclaimer on this subject. I know what I get back from multi time Tecate winner Zip Ty Davis will be exactly what I want to feel comfortable all day at the target event, Tecate Enduro.
ZipTy knows what the local event terrain is and will tune and balance the suspension to work there.
note what works there will work anywhere for me.

I appreciate what you said Robert and understand what works for you may not work for anyone else. I also understand WP may have more than one set up. I'm following this to see how ZipTy works with you on your set up. I'm old and slow and figure if they can sort it for you they can probably make me happy too. Mine is fine on a MX track that's smooth but I don't ride smooth tracks . The slow little sharp edge stuff is what's rough on this old man on this bike and that's with Flex Bars! . I just don't want to waste time and money sending my stuff to someone that doesn't have a grasp on the new WP stuff. Thanks for all you time, effort, and feedback .

The forks on our 14 TE 250 were done by Enduro Spec out of Colorado.
We have not tried them due to "we" have some bones to heal up right now.
I'll report as to the way they work for us as soon as I can.

We bought the bike with the suspension already done to it.
I'll find out and get back to you.

I'm hoping this isn't what I have t look forward to!! Yikes... may even back out of the deal if I have to deal with junk state of the art forks. Halls is revalving the front and rear. but not sure how much experience they have with this fork. The hilarious thing is the best bike I ever had was a fast by ferrachi husky 125 01 stock. Worked slick in the woods or a track or anywhere for that matter.... the yz 125 forks are pretty darn good. Rode my buddies 155 yz I believe it was and 05 or 06 back to back with my 144 and his stock suspension was better then my revalved units! I could not believe it was stock.... pounding thru whoops and good on the rocks.... but how much a pain is it to put this on a new husky????? And at 8700 with my accesiories wtf should I have to....... beta should offer there bikes for 500 less with no ten pound e-start and the gas gas should be 15 pounds lighter and Tm well I'll stay quiet for now.... I'm jumping back on husky out of loyalty but not interested in a harsh deflecting bike that tries to kill me or putting old forks on a new bike..........

Cone valve now available for 2015 4cs forks from the Husky catalog.

I've heard people say "harsh and deflecting" to describe the 4cs but my experience on the fe350 was initially, I thought it was plush and great versus the italian husky but the more I rode and the faster I raced I realized it was way to soft. I would hit a log and it was so soft and disconnected that I had no idea what was going to happen once I hit it, I'd corner and one corner the front would tuck and the next the front would push it was very frustrating. This was with proper springs and stock valving. I then stiffened up springs and valving and it feels much more connected and is much more predictable but we over did it and now it pushes in every corner and is super stiff.

My 501 is super plush and I upped the springs to match my weight. The forks soak up everything, almost too much like you say. I don't race anymore and only do "dual Sport" events which around here is a sneaky way for the club and racers to pre-run the Enduro course on Saturday, then they race it on Sunday. The dual sport events still have the Enduro race feel since most guys ride aggressive. That being said, I will be taking my forks to MX-Tech this winter and sitting down with Jeremy to talk about what can be done. I do know that Jeremy has developed a replacement anti-bottoming valve and has refined some other components in the 4CS system as well. He seems to have some animosity towards WP though. He claims WP copied his design without permission so he seems genuinely hurt by it. That being said, I'm not sure he is the best guy to have rework them, or maybe he's the best guy, time will tell.

P.S. I may try adding some preload spacers under the fork caps to increase the preload a tad and see what that does to the overall attitude. Cheap and easy and reversible if it doesn't feel better.

I wonder what WP forks come on the Sherco bikes. From all the reviews I've read they work like a champ out the box even without proper spring rates. I'll hold on for a while then may look into this as an option.

Sherco has open chamber WP forks, similar to what is on a KTM XC-W or EXC. Riders say they work better out of the box, than the same forks on a KTM.

Thanks Norman. I was wondering why a club member told me his KTM 450 XCW forks were so plush and my 2015 350 XCF not so much.

Yes those WP forks on the Sherco are very "enduro" plush and composed. (from ride on 300sei 4T)

embedded, loose and sharp rocks are what I neeeeed my forks to eat (lots of HSCD bleed). These LAMC fotos give a good display of what my target terrain for my suspension is.
http://www.losancianos.com/enduro.html