125-200cc I Rode The Prototype Wr200 And It Is Amazing...

One thing we need to talk about again is that it is taking a little extra time to get up to speed with the kits. The first 4 kits being bored are not going to be shipped back to me until next week and won't be in MT until the following week. Problem is that I will be in southern Nevada for my annual golf/ride vacation. I already have shipped an additional 3 cylinders and will be shipping 4 more next week to be bored. So when I get back from the stress relief/beer guzzling trip, I will have a bunch of top ends heading to Kelly. That should bring us current with a couple of extra's for inventory. I apologize for any delays as shipping problems and busy subs have put us behind. Start up on this kind of venture is always a timing issue and I was overly optomistic on my schedule for getting top ends to Kelly. Once again I apologize for any delays and I also don't want to rush any part of the work so the quality will be consistant.

Just for comparison here is a pic of the 200 KTM SX Pro Circuit pipe mounted up .

Definitely a top end pipe and other than it is wider in the mid-section than the 125 fatty, it fits and looks the same. Unfortunately it is mounted up to my 144 as my 165 top end is on its way to be raced by someone competent. This is NOT a good pipe for the 144. Header pipe and initial taper are too big.

I just added a picture of Dwight Rudders 200 sx fatty pipe mounted up as a comparison to the PC pipe. I rotated this pipe slightly counter clockwise a little and it keeps the bottom a little higher than the pipe on Kelly's.

I finally installed my WB165 kit today, on my '09 WR144. I don't know why I waited so long....

It all went together quite nicely. Walt's work on the cylinder and power valves is joy to behold and the Wossner piston.... I want another one, to put on my desk, so I can look at every day!

I started the bike, did 2 complete heat cycles and then did a few passes up and down the driveway. Walt set mine up for 93 pump gas, but you can feel there is more to kick over than the 144. My bike has a DynoPort Husky 144 pipe, so it's between the 125 and 200 pipe. The 200 pipe may be the ticket, but I'm in better kit, than a bike with a 125 pipe. I'll be getting Walt's 200sx Fatty to try, when P3 is done with it.

First off.... the exhaust sound, very serious; then the throttle response, amazing; clutchless power wheelie, how high? The bike is still geared 13/52, so I'll be gearing up. I have a 14 cs and 49, 50 and 51 rears to play with. I'll do a little break in ride tomorrow morning and then I'll get to ride it on my trail loop on Wednesday.

My first impression is... Why did I ever think about a Husaberg TE250?

I would be very interesting what your verdict is regarding the 165 kit with a dedicated 144 pipe or a 200 pipe.

its for sure I will end up with a 165 kit but the pipe I have to buy new.
And probably I will do buy it in Europe so a dedicated 144 pipe from Doma or HSG is not an issue to get as is a 200 pipe.

Robert-Jan

Stock springs are too light for your weight. How much static sag do you have ? 0-5mm ? The proper sag is 30-35mm. With the right spring you will still have 103mm rider sag. So, You can lower the initial height of the bike by 1 3/8". Big difference.

I raced a fairly tight and very muddy event today. There were times that my 14/50 gearing felt OK but I rarely got out of 2nd and 3rd gear. Drive off corners was a bit sluggish unless I down shifted then it was too much.
Great power. I am going to 14/52 for sure after this weekend. Might still try the taller MT16 tire though. What really convinced me was getting stuck once and having to push and paddle my way out of a loamy / sandy bog. First was not low enough. It really loaded and bogged the bike and I had to slip the clutch more than I wanted to.

Thanks Vinduro I'll have to check it tomorrow. I just figured heavier springs would make it even taller. I'll be sending the suspension off soon and I'll have who ever I send it to get me the correct springs.

KTM 200

The Ktm 200 is a fine bike. But for the same reason that there are guys there modifying their 150's with 200 top ends is why the 165 is such a hit with me and others. It still feels and handles exactly like a 125 but runs like a soft 250. The 200's that I have ridden have been solid bikes but something gets lost in translation from the small bore. It isn't a weight issue as they are light bikes it is just feel and handling. JMO

The KTM is a nice bike but I feel the Husky is not only easier to work on but handles better. Turns well as it is stable. No steering damper required as is on the KTM.

Husky definitely handles better. I have both and have been riding them back to back the last couple of weeks. The WR, even with a fork that is waiting for some love, turns much better and just feels more planted. I really like my 200, but I have a feeling the 165, when completely sorted, will be getting the call up.

Getting a little off topic here and I know this is a husky forum so answers may be a little biased but I can get a new 2011 wr150 for the same price as a 2010 ktm 200 with about 25hrs on it. I was thinking after a year of riding the wr I could upgrade to the 165. The ktm is ready to go except for a steering damper (apparently). Which way should I go and why?

I am running 14/52 and so far its not too bad. I have to mess with the power delivery of the WB165 a bit before I make up my mind and start swapping. Right now if I switched I would probably try a 51T first. I know its one tooth but I feel its geared just a tad low.

I would think with the WB165 a 52 would be a bit to low; it was on my Walt 08 CR144. I'm running a 50 rear and it feels perfect to me.

14/48 or 13/48 Kelly?

I ran 13/52 on my 144cc (WR150) and that was perfect gearing. 14/50 just is too tall for most tight enduro stuff to get a good drive off corners. It pulls just a bit slow getting onto pipe. 1st is too tall though. I got stuck in a sandy / loamy bog and the bike wouldn't pull 1st without clutch abuse.


View: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWAJjvFwA0M&feature=share


This is not me but a friend on the row behind me. Good rider. I was on row 15 and he was on row 16. But you can get an idea of the type of terrain we encounter a lot of. This had almost no hills but lots of tight muddy woods. You can see at least one rider buried has he passed off to through the bushes to the right.

I would wait until you have your exhaust , big difference

Nobody can just send you the correct springs without first measuring your static sag then rider sag. They would just be guessing and usually they are off. Go to the Technical forum and see my suspension recommendations. Get a friend to help you with checking the sags. Work with a dealer like Hall's or someone who will swap springs till you get the correct ones for you and your bike. DO NOT RIDE WITH THE SPRINGS until you have the correct one. You can't swap USED springs. It took only one try to get the correct fork spring but it took 4 tries to get the correct rear as it was so soft to begin with. I had to go up a full KG. that is 5 sizes.

Thanks for the info Vinduro I'll do some measuring this evening. I did set the rider sag back when I got the bike new. hj off.