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125-200cc I Rode The Prototype Wr200 And It Is Amazing...

Discussion in '2 Stroke' started by Motosportz, Dec 22, 2011.

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  1. Blakelpd5 Husqvarna
    Pro Class

    Location:
    Tigard, OR
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    09 WRWB165
    Other Motorcycles:
    08 CRF450R, 1980 Suzuki Wetbike
    I think he said either 13/50 or 13/51
    Blakelpd5, Jan 8, 2012
    #161

  2. fletchman45 Husqvarna
    Pro Class

    Location:
    park rapids
    I await farther results and testing, but am stoked and may buy the kit!! Still worried about WOT durability, but lets see!!!
    fletchman45, Jan 8, 2012
    #162

  3. Blakelpd5 Husqvarna
    Pro Class

    Location:
    Tigard, OR
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    09 WRWB165
    Other Motorcycles:
    08 CRF450R, 1980 Suzuki Wetbike
    I am no "AA" rider, but there is no way I could ride the 165 W/O in the woods. Maybe on a wider quad width, non technical type trail. It is a different riding style than the stock 125. I love ringin the shit out of the 125, but the 165 is a lazier style of riding IMO... You ride it a gear or two higher, since the power band is different. It is so freaking smooth, it just "feels" durable... LOL...
    Blakelpd5, Jan 8, 2012
    #163
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  4. fletchman45 Husqvarna
    Pro Class

    Location:
    park rapids
    If I get a chance I would like to ride one of these. I need to see un biased dyno results and before I jump on the bandwagon, let them sort out the details. BUT, if this thing works and works well, I'm all for it, and do have a Brand New 125 cylinder laying around!!! One key thing. Everyone's riding style is different!! (I.e. I ride a gear lower most of the time wringing the crap out of my bike) I'm always a top 20 overall finisher, and forget the lazier riding style dude!! The days when I could foul a sparkplug, lose 10 minutes changing it and get and OVERALL B trophy are gone!! If I do not stay in ATTACK mode for the ENTIRE race. There is no trophy. Most people (including myself, probably, can not even ride a 125cc bike to it's full potential. I'm sure the 20cc makes as big a difference as going from a 125 to a 144 and can't wait to try one out
    fletchman45, Jan 8, 2012
    #164

  5. fury1 Husqvarna
    AA Class

    Location:
    ma.
    what do you have to lose??
    fury1, Jan 8, 2012
    #165

  6. Blakelpd5 Husqvarna
    Pro Class

    Location:
    Tigard, OR
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    09 WRWB165
    Other Motorcycles:
    08 CRF450R, 1980 Suzuki Wetbike
    Here is my first video with new go-pro. Yes, I know the camera angle needs to be pointed up a little more. I am trying to keep up with Kelly (hard to do) at the Demo day. He is on the 165 and I'm on my 125. I uploaded to Youtube, and for some reason, it's crappy quality. Sorry about that. As time goes on, I'll learn more about this "high tech" stuff... And below, the parking lot security crew. My son and his mother, keeping our trucks safe.



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    Blakelpd5, Jan 8, 2012
    #166

  7. Motosportz CH Sponsor

    Location:
    Vancouver WA
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    2021 TE250i, 570 Berg, 500 KTM, 790R
    Other Motorcycles:
    many
    Thanks to Mike (lawn dart), Tim (Troffer) and Blake for coming out, wish more had come. Was good riding them back to back and it really reinforced my love for this motor and Walts amazing work. Marks Wr144 with FMF pipe is a good runner. The 165 felt far stronger. He put it perfect, the 165 feels like the throttle is hard wired to the rear wheel where his 144 feels like it has a rubberband for a throttle cable. The 165 snaps to life when you twist it. Will fry the rear tire in most any gear from most any RPM. Feels a good bit stronger everywhere than Tims very nice 167 with Scalvini pipe and revs out much Ezer / higher. We rejetted and needled Blakes WR125 and got it running real good and the 165 feels WAY stronger, as it should. I am even more amazed at the power of this bike now having ridden it on the hard technical stuff and back to back with several other good running bikes. This kit IMHO flat rules. Nice job Walt. :cheers:

    A few things I learned and realized I really like. The extra snap obviously makes climbing and shifting up under load MUCH EZer and way faster. But what I really like is that now you can set up for a corner and slide the rear end around coming out of corners using the power. When I ride 250's which is primarily what I ride now I use the throttle a lot to place the rear tire. On a 125 there is not enough power to move the rear around with the flick of the throttle, with the 165 it is EZ. Additionally when ripping down a trail in 3rd or so and you come to a lip and a root or large puddle or something you want to clear you can just blip the throttle like on a 250 and jump it. On a 125 it takes more planning and a good fan of the clutch. This bike has a LOT more power than a 125. And it is smooth and seamlessly powerful from bottom to top. It really is am amazing motor. I am in love.

    Tim owns several 125/144/167's and has played with a lot of stuff and his comments were how this motor is by far the best. Like me he even went as far as to say it might be a bit of a handful on a CR with the lighter flywheel. The bike flat rips. I would love to ride it back to back with a good running KTM200 because I seriously think you are giving up nothing. I am so stoked about this motor. Walts 165 motor in this amazing chassis is something to behold. It realy is to me what husky should have done to make the WR200 in 09. For me it is flat perfect, I do not need more power. (keep in mind I ride technical woods with some fast stuff but mainly 2-4 gear stuff) BTW with the 13/50 gearing it will easily pull 6th gear power wheelies on the road like it is in 3rd. Needs geared way up which was never the case with the 125 or even the 144.

    I would say I am an upper B class or mid pack A class rider. I ride with several A class guys (Jake, Scott, Dave) and can hang. Push comes to shove those guys will leave me but I can put up a fight. (well not with Dave, he is from another planet) For me this would be the hands down pick for a race bike over any other bike I have ridden (as it is for the trail bike). It is fast, light and handles like a dream. I think it handles even better now that you can use the power to influence rear wheel placement. I really like that.

    I want others to ride this and respond and I have absolutely no doubt everyone will love it. How can you not, it runs perfect and makes tons of usable power. It is not just a beefed up 125 it is in another class IMHO.

    Thanks guys for coming out and giving it a try. Please feel free to discount or support anything I have said here.

    Pix...

    All teched up and ready to roll...

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    Mark and his son...

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    Tim and his 167 with Scalivini pipe.

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    The little beast...

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    Motosportz, Jan 9, 2012
    #167
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  8. Motosportz CH Sponsor

    Location:
    Vancouver WA
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    2021 TE250i, 570 Berg, 500 KTM, 790R
    Other Motorcycles:
    many
    I will be pipe testing shortly. I tried the Doma on there briefly and it will need rejetted for sure but did seem to run good. Tim was not convinced. I will rejet and see.

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    FMF 125 pipe top FMF KTM 200SX pipe bottom...

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    Motosportz, Jan 9, 2012
    #168

  9. ajaxauto Husqvarna
    Pro Class

    I have a 167 and am almost afraid to install it BECAUSE my old STOCK CR 125 runs so good.
    Just yesterday at the first District 37 desert race of the year my son Cameron took my old
    stock CR 125 with just supention work done by Zip Ty Racing to a 5th over all. We are talking about a 75 mile desert race with a stack field of pros and experts with a total entry of about 300 racers.
    The stock 125 beat both the current #1 plate holders in both the 250 and 125 class.How the little 125 stays together pinned for so long is hard to beleive.I might just mount it up on my 2006 CR 125 for testing then if it works so well race that bike in 2 weeks at the Nationals. I hate to take a chance
    breaking it the way it has to be ridden to run up front at a National If what everything you guys say is true this will be one heck of a ride.
    ajaxauto, Jan 9, 2012
    #169

  10. erigre Husqvarna
    AA Class

    Location:
    Lyons
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    yes
    Other Motorcycles:
    yes
    Can't wait to get home and wait, not patiently, for the UPS guy...
    I believe I have less experience than many of you guys, but I will try to give some feedback: 09 200xcw vs 09 WB(wallybean)165
    erigre, Jan 9, 2012
    #170

  11. TROFFER88 Husqvarna
    Pro Class

    Location:
    Camas Wa
    I really dont think the 167 will be what you want for the type of racing you do, I do think the 165 will do what you want. The heavy piston coupled with the port timing changes the spacer plate give's you kills the top end and over rev. Walt's 165 on the other hand does not, light piston and correct port timing make a huge difference. My 167 is also running a CR ignition, Kellys 165 was running a WR ignition and his bike revs out much quicker and has way more top end. I had never rode a Ktm 200 so after riding Kellys bike I found one to demo yesterday and rode my 167 back to back . My 167 runs about as good as they will run and my fellings after riding them back to back is the 167 feels like a ripping Kdx200 and the 165 feels more like a Ktm 200. It was nice to ride them back to back in rugged trails as you really get to see the differences.

    Nicely done Walt , anyone want to buy a 167 top end:D
    TROFFER88, Jan 9, 2012
    #171

  12. marc p. Husqvarna
    B Class

    Was looking for 144 piston clearance specs for my '09 and stumbled over this thread and I want this. That is all, carry on!
    marc p., Jan 9, 2012
    #172

  13. Motosportz CH Sponsor

    Location:
    Vancouver WA
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    2021 TE250i, 570 Berg, 500 KTM, 790R
    Other Motorcycles:
    many
    So did the KTM 200 have more power than my WB165? If so where? Surprising to me was trading back and forth between the WB165 and the GG250 of mine which is a strong runner. Did not feel like a big difference like when hopping onto a 125.
    Motosportz, Jan 9, 2012
    #173

  14. Motosportz CH Sponsor

    Location:
    Vancouver WA
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    2021 TE250i, 570 Berg, 500 KTM, 790R
    Other Motorcycles:
    many
    I PMed Ajax the same thing.
    Motosportz, Jan 9, 2012
    #174

  15. Motosportz CH Sponsor

    Location:
    Vancouver WA
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    2021 TE250i, 570 Berg, 500 KTM, 790R
    Other Motorcycles:
    many
    I like it WB165 it is :thumbsup:
    Motosportz, Jan 9, 2012
    #175

  16. NWRider Husqvarna
    AA Class

    I wish I could have made it to the demo but I had a sick kid to tend to. I want to see if I like it since I seem to have weird taste and to not appreciate a ton of power down low. For example at the NW gathering I loved the TC250. It was a little soft on the bottom and would just rev freely and smoothly. I got on the TXC310 everyone was raving about and turned back after a mile because I hated it.
    NWRider, Jan 9, 2012
    #176

  17. Motosportz CH Sponsor

    Location:
    Vancouver WA
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    2021 TE250i, 570 Berg, 500 KTM, 790R
    Other Motorcycles:
    many
    Mark, i was hoping you would come as you have a good running bike. I will pretty much guarantee you will flat love this motor. I'm not afraid for anyone to try it, it is amazing.
    Motosportz, Jan 9, 2012
    #177

  18. NWRider Husqvarna
    AA Class

    Hopefully I will get to check it out sometime. I was never real interested in the Uptite 167 because it sounded like it had great low end but fell flat up top. From what I am reading it sounds like the Walt 165 will rev out when needed. Since I put a trials tire on my bike the larger motor would probably match how I now ride it better also.
    NWRider, Jan 9, 2012
    #178

  19. wallybean Mini-Sponsor

    Location:
    Montana
    Mark,

    I have mated up a Pro Circuit KTM 200 SX pipe to the 165 and it makes the bottom/early mid softer as compared to the KTM Fatty pipe but the upper mid/top end is a flat ripper. Rev's very similar to the 144 but with way more(I was seeing revs very close to 12K just letting it pull). :eek: Just another option. This combo is certainly more fun in the open stuff and feels faster but I guarantee you that I would be faster with the Fatty pipe. Torque wins races and is much easier to ride in tight, gnarly stuff. All I can say is that with the Pro Circuit pipe you had better have it pointed where you want to go when it hits the pipe. The 125/144 can get away with a bit of sloppiness from the rider when hitting the pipe but this combo will flat put you in the trees if you aren't prepared.

    As for the TXC310, while I really liked it if I was going to ride a 4T, the 165 with the KTM Fatty pipe flat runs much stronger everywhere. There I said it and now I can get flamed. I thought it at the time and my 165 was running crappy with a lead fouling plug.
    wallybean, Jan 9, 2012
    #179

  20. john01 Husqvarna
    Pro Class

    Location:
    Powhatan VA
    Walt I was gonna ask how it (WB165) would compair to a 2010 TC250. So you think the WB165 has more power? I just rode my 2010 TC250 Sunday at our MX track and I forgot just how good that bike runs. Now you have me thinking....do I need a 2012 GG200?? Anyway thanks for putting this WB165 together and I will more than likely be upgrading my WS144 (Walt Special 144). Man I'm scared to mess with that 144 LOL.
    john01, Jan 9, 2012
    #180
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