Kellys ongoing goofy thread...

Discussion in 'Motosportz' started by Motosportz, Mar 5, 2013.

  1. Motosportz CH Sponsor

    Location:
    Vancouver WA
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    2021 TE250i, 570 Berg, 500 KTM, 790R
    Other Motorcycles:
    many
  2. Motosportz CH Sponsor

    Location:
    Vancouver WA
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    2021 TE250i, 570 Berg, 500 KTM, 790R
    Other Motorcycles:
    many
    Looks like it started off as a husky.

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  3. Mike-AK Husqvarna
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    Alaska
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    2012 TE 310
    What would one gain from all that complexity?
  4. Motosportz CH Sponsor

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    2021 TE250i, 570 Berg, 500 KTM, 790R
    Other Motorcycles:
    many
    A really light.. wallet. There is a whole group of people obsessed with alternative front ends. I kinda fall in that category. The idea is lighter weight, controlled progressiveness, anti dive, massive adjustability, lower CG, etc.

    This site is kinda dedicated to it - http://unlimited-eng.skyrock.com/

    I'm fascinated with the idea and have drawings of my own design.

    Decoster loved his works Suzuki...

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    Honda built many crazy variations. The old works build whatever you like days were cool. Twin cylinder and pipe too!!!

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  5. juicypips Husqvarna
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    gloucestershire
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    wr 360. 2002
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    Gas Gas TxT 300, Yamaha wr250f
    They are common sight on trials side car out fitts for most of those reasons.
    Just looks wrong imo.
  6. Kyle Tarry Husqvarna
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    Location:
    Portland, OR
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    2012 WR 300, 2006 TE 610
    Other Motorcycles:
    Ducati Monster S2R 800
    Conventional forks are really not that great at the stuff they need to do; they have lots of friction drag, they require very large high tolerance machined parts, they're riding in directions they don't need to be (or not rigid enough in directions they do need to be), they have pro-dive geometry (arguably you could run zero or negative rake and eliminate this, but the packaging gets really ugly), the damping components aren't ideal, and some various other stuff.

    The problem is that none of the other (linkage) solutions are simple/cheap enough to make sense, so telescopic forks are the best choice for most applications. You can, with a large budget and patience, come up with some really neat stuff.

    That works Honda is really cool.
  7. Jon Husqvarna
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    Location:
    Wisconsin
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    14 TXC 310R
    [IMG]a guy had this and his son was on another on similar to it at a dual sport I did last year
  8. Motosportz CH Sponsor

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    Vancouver WA
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    2021 TE250i, 570 Berg, 500 KTM, 790R
    Other Motorcycles:
    many

    Another big issue is all the points or wear / slop in the linkage front end. I believed if developed and accepted it would be fantastic. BMW has sold piles of a semi non fork...

    this one is designed to look conventional...

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    This one not so much...

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    I have ridden both and both work VERY good. I rode one that was exactly like this (K1300s) had programmable power, crazy adjustable front end etc. What i noticed about it was how it completely ignores bad road while leaned over at speed. Felt semi odd at first but the more i rode it the more I loved it. Was super confidence inspiring. Semi anti dive as well.

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    they make lots of road bikes with non telescopic forks.

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  9. Kyle Tarry Husqvarna
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    Location:
    Portland, OR
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    2012 WR 300, 2006 TE 610
    Other Motorcycles:
    Ducati Monster S2R 800
    Of course, the great irony is that when BMW built a bike to actually be high performance (S1000RR), instead of using their "superior" front suspension technology that they are always touting, they used telescopic forks. :lol:
  10. ray_ray Mini-Sponsor

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    The Philippines
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    08\013 WR250, 010 TC250, 012 TC250
    Non-goofy, stud racers here;these guys do not use forks in 2014 ...
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    Might be a hardtail also.
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  11. Motosportz CH Sponsor

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    2021 TE250i, 570 Berg, 500 KTM, 790R
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    When you have 100 years of experience with something that's what you go with. Packaging for aerodynamics, mass and around engines to be used for 200 MPH race bikes probably has a little to do with it as well. If you notice their race bikes are very conventional to most race bikes using in line 4's and a conventional setup. Its the EZ rout to success as you are on very similar machines to everyone else. They probably could not afford to go clean sheet and spend years refining. We use fossil fuels because we know it and have a massive 100 year infrastructure. Could we have only electric cars right now? Sure but it would have taken a 20 year commitment to change the infrastructure and technology. As with many things you sometimes have to go with what is EZ and supported.
  12. Dangermouse449 Husqvarna
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    Location:
    Sunshine Coast QLD Australia
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    2011 TE449
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    2009 CRF450R 2000 YZ125
    Anyone having trouble with their standard chain?

    We have these Ultra-duty chains at work, granted, them may be SLIGHTLY heavy, but they are very long lasting!! :D

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  13. Dangermouse449 Husqvarna
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    Holy cow, looks scary. :)
    What's going on with that front brake too?
    Looks like a triple leading shoe?!?
  14. 268fords Husqvarna
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    Location:
    Powell, Wyoming
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    08' TE510'
    Other Motorcycles:
    Honda CRF 100, Kawasaki KLX 110
    I got a 510! I'm good! How about a chain breaker kit to go with it?
    :) :) :) :) :)
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  15. Tinken Husqvarna
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    Hesperia, CA
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    MY12 WR511
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    Yamaha
  16. boisedave Husqvarna
    AA Class

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    Boise, Idaho

    Hey Tinken -- If you have access, can you find out who the artist is who did that print? My dad had the entire series. There was one with a "Flying "W"" too I remember. I'd love to get the set but have never been able to track them down!
  17. Tinken Husqvarna
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    Hesperia, CA
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    MY12 WR511
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    Yamaha
    I used to have some of this artwork too. I would email Malcolm Smith on that one.
  18. boisedave Husqvarna
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    Boise, Idaho
    Gracias!
  19. MotoMarc36 Husqvarna
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    Location:
    wisconsin
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    2012 CR144, 04 TC450, 04 TC250, CR50
    Other Motorcycles:
    Many. Too many.
  20. MotoMarc36 Husqvarna
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    Location:
    wisconsin
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    2012 CR144, 04 TC450, 04 TC250, CR50
    Other Motorcycles:
    Many. Too many.