Like the Berg 70 degree motor and the 449/511 Yamaha pushes the mass centralization approach...

Discussion in 'General (Main)' started by Motosportz, Jun 12, 2013.

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  1. LandofMotards Moderator

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    The first time I remember hearing about mass centralization being a big deal was a 2003 Honda cbr600rr which I owned :). The under seat exhaust and swing arm were the main points talked about. Still didn't matter because it was a pig compared to my uncles 2003 Yamaha r6. That is still the best handling sport bike I've ever ridden. Oh and it was a lot more comfortable lol. Still cool to read about and I'm sure it works really well if everything else is set up right.
    It's funny because I talked about the R6 to everyone while I was dreaming. 2 friends bought one and my uncle. I was a few months behind in the buying process. Everyone pretty much said they're all the same and only a pro could tell the difference. I also decided I wanted to have a different bike than the rest of the pack. Turns out I was a stupid 18 year old because at the end of the day the R6 would have been perfect lol.
    I know this has nothing to do with these dirt bikes but in a sense it fits in. Hell, I just wanted to tell my story because I still get butt hurt about that lol
    LandofMotards, Aug 15, 2013
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  2. Motosportz CH Sponsor

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    Good stuff man :lol:
    Motosportz, Aug 15, 2013
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  3. Boogie Husqvarna
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    I'd like to see an off road comparison between:

    - 2014 YZ250f with big bore kit (somewhere close to 300cc)
    - 2014 Sherco 300i
    - 2013 Husky 310

    I wonder which would have the best balance of power and agility... Hhmm
    Boogie, Aug 15, 2013
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  4. Motosportz CH Sponsor

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    they would all be so good it would come down to the rider.
    Motosportz, Aug 15, 2013
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  5. Tinken Husqvarna
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    I agree. There is always give and take with these alternate configurations and often times more take than give. Innovation is a good thing and the end result usually benefits everyone.

    The engine design and CTS are both flawed to the point that in order to fix either one of them to their true potential, patent royalties are not required. Like I said above, innovation benefits everyone and I am sure we will see a form of this technology applied in the future.

    Flattering, thank you. I have no doubt that ZipTy will develop a strong multiple use race platform in the near future. I am hopeful because of the exciting events which are falling into place.
    Tinken, Aug 16, 2013
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  6. Motosportz CH Sponsor

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    Motosportz, Aug 16, 2013
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  7. LandofMotards Moderator

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    I wish Yamaha bought Husky lol. Sorry :)
    LandofMotards, Aug 16, 2013
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  8. mnb Husqvarna
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    I'm glad they didn't. (Yamahas have the tallest seat heights in the industry)
    mnb, Aug 16, 2013
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  9. LandofMotards Moderator

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    Yeah either way I was just messing around because its a sensitive issue :).
    LandofMotards, Aug 16, 2013
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  10. Super5onic88 Husqvarna
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    I used to work at a Yamaha dealership and have always loved them.
    Every time I ride one they just feel normal. I feel at home and can use the bike to it's full capacity pretty much instantly.

    All other bikes just feel different and slightly awkward for me, Hondas being the worst.

    My last three bikes were Yamys. 01 yz125, 08 yz450f, 09 wr250x
    Rode them all hard. no problems

    I for one am keen to try a new model.
    Super5onic88, Aug 16, 2013
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  11. Motosportz CH Sponsor

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    Still believe it is all hype?

    "Honda went to great lengths to lower and better centralize weight. We noticed the difference, so will you."

    http://www.cyclenews.com/329/22274/Racing-Article/First-Ride--2014-Honda-CRF250R.aspx

    Honda spent a lot of effort centralizing weight and mass with the new 250, like lowering the headpipe, radiators and shock, and going back to its dual exhaust system, which the 250 had for the 2006-'09 model years. Honda reverted to the single-exhaust design in 2010 when the bike got a new frame and other changes that they thought was better benefited by the traditional single muffler design. But with more emphasis being put on mass centralization these days, Honda has revisited the dual exhaust system again with its all-new 2014 chassis. The dual mufflers allow the exhaust to be tucked in tighter and lower in the chassis for improved handling, but Honda also says that there are now power gains as well. Noise is also an issue with dual mufflers supposedly being better in the decibel department.

    "Although the bike isn't any lighter on the scale (in fact, it’s gone up a few pounds), it certainly feels lighter on the track.

    "Overall handling is very predictable and stable over a variety of terrain that we experienced, and the bike just feels lighter and more agile than ever. All that mass centralization does seem to add up to a better-handling machine."
    Motosportz, Sep 11, 2013
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  12. Tinken Husqvarna
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    One of the reasons why they abandoned the Berg 570 engine was for that exact reason. The new engine has a much better centralized mass and lower center of gravity.
    Tinken, Sep 11, 2013
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  13. Motosportz CH Sponsor

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    Motosportz, Nov 26, 2013
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  14. reveille Husqvarna
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    Crazy looking header configuration...
    reveille, Nov 26, 2013
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  15. Motosportz CH Sponsor

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    they do that to maintain length.
    Motosportz, Nov 26, 2013
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  16. Arctra Husqvarna
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    It's not without its problems though. I noticed at the Sydney Motorcycle Show that one of the works YZ's had a modification to move the shock reservoir to up near the front of the cylinder (connected to the shock by a braided steel line) to get it away from all of the heat generated by the pipe. Apparently the rear facing config causes such a lot of heat build-up that it affects the performance of the rear shock.
    Arctra, Nov 26, 2013
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  17. AOMC Husqvarna
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    I had a YZ250 for a few years and it was as reliable as they come, but I rode it in the woods and didn't care for the hit. I came from old school thumpers and couldn't get used to the lack of weight on the front. I currently have an 05 WR450f, rode a buddies 11ish YZ450F and honestly could tell very little difference. The 70 degree bergs on the other hand feel like a tank in the woods by comparison. I've only took a couple short rides on a TE but they feel odd to me, does that go away after getting used to it? Almost feels like it's pushing the front down on acceleration. Cornering felt odd as well, almost disconnected.
    AOMC, Nov 26, 2013
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  18. Motosportz CH Sponsor

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    the mass centralized 2014 YZF250 won the DirtRider bike of the year. that bike really interests me for off road for some reason. Love the way they look and sounds like the motor would be great off road. Anyone ride one?
    Motosportz, Apr 30, 2014
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  19. reveille Husqvarna
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    No but I would like to give it a go. Go out and buy one and invite me out to test ride it for you, please?:popcorn:
    reveille, Apr 30, 2014
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  20. GMP Husqvarna
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    I agree. I think it would be an awesome HS bike. I really like the fact that there is no huge can hanging off the back. Also isn't the seat height lower on the '14? I wonder how easy they start hot after a crash?
    GMP, Apr 30, 2014
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