Making the Dog run as it should

Discussion in 'TR650' started by Mark_H, Nov 16, 2014.

  1. rww Husqvarna
    AA Class

    Location:
    Kennewick Washington
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    tr650
    Other Motorcycles:
    Ducati, Cagiva Kaw Zuki Honda
    I have both spoofers and the eruption is just a little leaner and works fine on the stock muffler and air box except in very cold weather. I have been watching and waiting to see how this plays out. I have decided to 1 remove the lambda sensor, 2 go back to stock air temp sensor, 3 install the Weisco FMC038 power card from the 01-04 F650 BMW, seal the stock air box, 4 run the foam Uni air filter ( already in use), 5 core the stock pipes to remove the Cats, 6 put in the brisk AR10Z plugs ( this bike is very sensitive to plug wear), 7 ( already done) add 2 teeth to the rear sprocket......all this at the 7000 mile service when I do a valve check. M2C
  2. Geeza Husqvarna
    AA Class

    Location:
    Sale, Victoria, Australia
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    TR650 Strada
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  3. wferrari Husqvarna
    AA Class

    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    TR 650 Strada
    Other Motorcycles:
    V-Strom
    Damn, I looked a couple of days ago and it was not there. They've probably worked the problems out. I'm going to send them a query asking if I should bother and upgrade my unit.
  4. rww Husqvarna
    AA Class

    Location:
    Kennewick Washington
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    tr650
    Other Motorcycles:
    Ducati, Cagiva Kaw Zuki Honda
  5. dmw_az Husqvarna
    AA Class

    Location:
    Phoenix, AZ
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    TR650 Terra
    Other Motorcycles:
    500hp Dodge SRT4
    I just spoke to Matt @ Dobeck. He's been working with me in fine tuning the test EJK for the TR650. He needs to do a final run through with all the testers so that he can compare notes before they will release the "official" version of the EJK. I still get a stumble when I give it a lot of throttle, left off, and attempt to get back on it. They really need a bike in house to get a perfect tune. So, if anybody is Montana, let them know.

    My bike has died twice now since installing the EJK. It seems to be weather-related. If it's below say 45*, when I first start the, it is very sluggish. I know when it is going to happen.
  6. NorthnTerraTory Husqvarna
    A Class

    Location:
    Darwin,Northern Territory,The Top End of Australia
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    TR650 Terra
    What is the oxygen sensor spacer? How does it change the way the bike runs?
  7. hasenpfeffer Husqvarna
    Pro Class

    Location:
    CO
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    TR650 Strada

    The theory is that by moving the O2 sensor out of the direct exhaust stream, the O2 sensor may sense leaner conditions and cause the computer to richen things up a little.
  8. Mark_H Husqvarna
    AA Class

    Location:
    Lapu Lapu Cebu Philippines
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    2013 TR 650 Strada; 2015 Nuda 900R
    Other Motorcycles:
    Honda XRM 125, Kawasaki Curve 115

    Plenty of info here...

    http://www.cafehusky.com/threads/question-idea-regarding-02-sensor.44994/

    A pic of the item as fitted.

    TR 650 O2 Fix.jpg

    Simple stuff, and IMHO not fully explored by most owners here. In the car tuning game these are common and freely available on Fleabay, or I have the dimensions if you wish to make your own.

    Cheers, MH

    PS. Lets see how long this post takes to achieve moderation and be shown in the thread - I have been waiting ten days for others :banghead:
  9. drzcharlie Husqvarna
    Pro Class

    Location:
    Fayetteville, Arkansas with my Redheaded Mistress
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    TR650 Terra
    Other Motorcycles:
    Burgman 650 (The Barcolounger)
    I did a test with an AFR plot a while back. I tried a 1" spacer and it did nothing when viewing it on the chart logger. No change in AFR what so ever. Shorter or longer might make a difference but that would have to be determined.
  10. Mark_H Husqvarna
    AA Class

    Location:
    Lapu Lapu Cebu Philippines
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    2013 TR 650 Strada; 2015 Nuda 900R
    Other Motorcycles:
    Honda XRM 125, Kawasaki Curve 115

    The O2 Spoofer I fitted was 51mm (2") and it definitely had a positive effect on the 'stumbles' and made the bike easier to ride in traffic. It did not cure the cr*ppy running totally but it did make an improvement.
    I do not have the means of measuring the AFR but 'ride and feel' works as a reasonable gauge for me.
  11. Mark_H Husqvarna
    AA Class

    Location:
    Lapu Lapu Cebu Philippines
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    2013 TR 650 Strada; 2015 Nuda 900R
    Other Motorcycles:
    Honda XRM 125, Kawasaki Curve 115
    In the past two weeks while unable to post on this forum due to Moderation issues, I have played around with the AIT Sensor on my bike.
    This has already been posted over on AdvRider, apologies to those who read both forums and have already commented etc.

    I ran some static tests and came to the conclusion that as noted by others here, the AIT sensor is in the wrong position on the bike - another big design fault IMHO.

    I run my bike in fairly hot and humid conditions and I am quite sure that air temperature input to the ECU is critical in having my engine run at its best.

    With bike 'cold' the AIT sensor reading was 30.5C, running stationary and the cooling fan cutting in and out 3 times the AIT sensor reading went up to 45C which is a totally false reading. Incredibly with the engine stopped the AIT sensor reading went up to 51C with the heat soak.

    So...I moved the sensor to a position at the front of the bike.

    mini-IMG_1543.JPG

    This position is achievable without changing any of the original wiring.
    Be sure to bung the original sensor hole in the airbox with something that cannot be sucked up into the throttle body.

    Do not be tempted to place the sensor too close to the frame as the Oil in the Tank is at around 80C and has a similar false reading effect.

    In this position the results were amazing, the temperature readings were much more true and the bike ran really well.
    Although there was still some 'heating' and a rise in the reading when stopped in traffic, temps were about 8C lower than previously experienced.

    The bike still had the splutters and farts when pulling away after being stopped in traffic, but as soon as cool air was flowing over the sensor everything was really good again. Power delivery was smooth right thorough the rev range and the bike was a joy to ride, most noticeable difference being on the overrun with much less engine braking and no backfires.

    Using the old methods (no computer wizardry) to check how my engine is actually running I found 'Finger up Exhaust' reveals them to be as clean as a whistle, virtually no deposits and when inspected the spark plugs are a nice chocolate colour so all is good.

    I was pretty much happy with my progress in this respect, but still had room for improvement. Basically I wanted to remove the 'in traffic' heating and see if I could get rid off the hot pull away farts n splutters.

    So onto my next idea, possibly the Coolest AIT Spoofer yet.......

    Cheers, MH
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  12. Jon Knutson Husqvarna
    A Class

    Location:
    Mildenhall, United Kingdom
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    2013 TR650 Terra ABS
    Other Motorcycles:
    2007 KTM 450 SX-F (Street Legal)
    I've thought about this too, I really do think the heat of the engine has been causing the temp reading to be high. If it just got an accurate reading we wouldn't be having any problems.
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  13. mag00 Husqvarna
    Pro Class

    Location:
    Tucson
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    Terra, Strada
    Other Motorcycles:
    XR250 R1100RS CH50
    Here's the real fix

    [IMG]
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  14. isldtime Husqvarna
    AA Class

    Location:
    Symsonia, Ky.
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    2013 TR650 STRADA
    Other Motorcycles:
    2002 Ural Tourist


    Are you running one????
  15. mag00 Husqvarna
    Pro Class

    Location:
    Tucson
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    Terra, Strada
    Other Motorcycles:
    XR250 R1100RS CH50
    Not yet. Looks like it is doable
  16. isldtime Husqvarna
    AA Class

    Location:
    Symsonia, Ky.
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    2013 TR650 STRADA
    Other Motorcycles:
    2002 Ural Tourist
    Go for it and keep us posted!!:thumbsup:
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  17. Mark_H Husqvarna
    AA Class

    Location:
    Lapu Lapu Cebu Philippines
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    2013 TR 650 Strada; 2015 Nuda 900R
    Other Motorcycles:
    Honda XRM 125, Kawasaki Curve 115

    Hmm $300 to 500 and a lot of work with no guarantee of success or improvement, are you kidding??
  18. drzcharlie Husqvarna
    Pro Class

    Location:
    Fayetteville, Arkansas with my Redheaded Mistress
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    TR650 Terra
    Other Motorcycles:
    Burgman 650 (The Barcolounger)
    I thought your bike was running a treat Magoo? Why make a change now?
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  19. mag00 Husqvarna
    Pro Class

    Location:
    Tucson
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    Terra, Strada
    Other Motorcycles:
    XR250 R1100RS CH50
    It is. Will it be that way forever? What about those who are shorting out their ecu's?
  20. drzcharlie Husqvarna
    Pro Class

    Location:
    Fayetteville, Arkansas with my Redheaded Mistress
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    TR650 Terra
    Other Motorcycles:
    Burgman 650 (The Barcolounger)
    What's the Mega Squirt have to do with the ECU and shorting them out?
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