Some news that is finally in black and white - well grey and off white! Husky have been working with Magnetti Morelli the ECU manufacturer to resolve the stalling issue. - subject to official factory approval - there will be a recall release at the start of April - not sure if this is worldwide or just Australia at this stage. The update will be Husky mapping - depending on how well this is set up with the current dealers it may be good but also may be bad. Basically they have taken BMW out of the equation. A big thank you to all that have helped out and your patience - fingers crossed that this gets across the line! Stay safe 8-)
The WELL DONE goes out to a large number of people that have been working in the background not only in Oz but also Canada and the States - a lot are TR650 owners but a number are just interested parties that have included industry experts and a well respected motorcycle magazine editor. It is great to see the power of this forum and the people that support it working together to achieve what will hopefully be a successful outcome for all.
I don't mean to be a pessimist, but I believe the TR650's in Australia are only required to meet the Euro 4 standards. This means the bikes can be tuned completely differently to the rest of the world, as the emissions targets are much more achievable. It's a good result for us in Australia, but I wouldn't hold my breath for a worldwide solution quite yet. A big thanks still goes out to those who have been working away at the issue!
Refer to post #124 - a number of interested parties - don't wish to disclose names at this stage but they have been dealing with AHG/Husky directly and some owners have been dealing with DOTARS who issue the recalls in Australia.
Thanks Geeza, another AU TR650 submitted on the Aus Gov DOI site. Hey interestingly even after owning it for just over a month I was able to add my own story - My preamble to the report went like this: I just bought this bike unaware of worldwide software stalling issue. In the 1 month I've owned it has completely stalled a couple times crossing an intersection! Very dangerous. Other times it has coughed and with clutch control & a bit of accelerator I have kept it going. What am I going to do if I have a truck bearing down on me? (then continued on with your info) Apparently this is a worldwide known software issue... My dealer outcome went like this: Burners in 4 Klauer St Seaford, Victoria, where it was originally sold (2013) say they can't help me. BMW shut down their ECU tool. I went & visited their workshop on the 18th of March and they showed me the $6000 Moss system sitting on a bench they can't use. Just collecting dust, quite a shame, all at my safety expense too let alone the commercial aspect.
Apparently, absolutely nothing, The reply I received after emailing our responsible Federal Dept. on any progress following my submission in May last year to them (quoting the relevant submission reference number and advising them of the outcome in the U.S.A.) was as follows : Dear Mr xxxx Thank you for writing to us about your Husqvarna TR650 motorcycle. We have recorded the details of your report. We can offer you information about your consumer rights, reporting vehicle safety concerns, our role with product safety and recalls and how to resolve your dispute. Vehicle safety concerns – where to report You can report your concerns to the Department of Infrastructure and Regional Development (DIRD). DIRD regulates the design, manufacture, importation and first supply of road vehicles to ensure an acceptable level of vehicle safety in Australia, they also regulate recalls in regards to vehicle safety. You can lodge a vehicle safety report with DIRD online. 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LED, you are right, very sad, the Safety and Consumer Authorities world wide have let all owners down on this, none of them have been prepared to bring BMW to account and ensure the BMW developed machine electronics can be serviced/updated properly on an ongoing basis by BMW Dealerships. Only one Husky Dealership in Oz is equipped to handle any update so there is no real choice but having updated firmware integrated into the BMW OSS system
That is correct, in Australia there is no outstanding recall on the Husqvarna TR650 models In the US and Canada following the lodgement of owner complaints to the Safety Authorities Husqvarna/KTM NA and Canada agreed to a voluntary recall which has been outstanding since late 2016 while a solution to the problems was engineered. The current US/Canadian updates are intended to finalise that outstanding recall, it should be noted that Husqvarna NA has not actually provided NHTSA copies of the latest letter to owners or any documentation of the problem, the proposed solution, or any of the correspondence with the Dealers which would normally be provided to NHTSA under their recall which is 16V124. In Australia following lodgement of the complaints to DOTARS, Husqvarna Australia did not offer/agree to a voluntary recall and DOTARS/ACCC did not elect to mandate a recall so there is no requirement for Husqvarna Australia to do anything. There are those who would say that DOTARS/ACCC have a poor track record in mandating recalls when Manufacturers/Importers do not offer a voluntary recall I think you all know who you need to contact to pursue the issue further in Australia In the mean time those who can get their machines updated to the last BMW firmware version at Dahlitz Motorcycles in Canberra or one of the Sydney BMW Dealers who have been doing updates should do so
I thought consumer protections were better for you guys. Heck, your gubment restricts the throttle for noobies and you get a 2 year warranty. Stalling and falling in front of traffic must not be enough of a reason. If someone did get hurt, would they have recourse? I'm just wondering if the recall fix works well in the USA, if there would be a way for anybody to get it done outside the recall, lets say you guys wanted to send it up for a reflash.
hmm, would that be one of the current affairs tv shows that follow the news on channel 9 or 7 ? To be fair, perhaps Husqvarna/KTM should first be given the chance to play ball.
to be fair shit, it's obvious they don't give a rats ass about someone stalling and falling. It's about money. No if, and, or but about it. If they can do it in the states and Canada they can do it for you guys. I'd be very pissed with the DOTARS/ACCC
To be fair, they should offer every TR650 owner a 50% off a new bike for the crap they put us through.
If some one did stall, fall and die it would cost them a bucket load I would think. They are aware of the problem and have even taken steps to fix it in the USA so there would be no," We weren't aware of a problem defence". I have had one very near miss because the bike stalled half way through an intersection. Very poor form.
