Question for the machinist..turning flywheel on lathe TXC 310

Discussion in 'General (Main)' started by guscycle, Feb 15, 2014.

  1. Motosportz CH Sponsor

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    That is odd because there are endless threads with people having issues and husky even made updated parts so that alone would seem to indicate an issue.
  2. Up-tite Husqvarna
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    There is a difference 50W means WINTER not wt
    50WT is 50WT. 50 is 50
    So now show me a 50W.
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    Oh joy another silly oil thread. Even Though I'm sure you know thats not what he was saying...

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    This is a good read, some useful info and lab tested comparisons of oil. Amsoil does really well in a majority of the tests. Spectro is mid pack at best and is next to last in the critical wear test (Wear Protection (4-Ball, ASTM D-4172).

    http://www.barmacinc.com/amsoilpdfs/Study of Motorcycle Oils.pdf

    back to the starter gear deal, the deformation obviously shows a bad design and a non linear wear groove. Almost seems like an alignment issue. Is it a worm gear that drives that?
  5. Tinken Husqvarna
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    Thanks Kelly, that was a really good read. I was wondering about the age of the article based upon the zinc levels listed, it is 2006. Since then, SARA/EPA has set restrictions on the limits based upon oil viscosity weights per the SM/SN ratings. I have researched MSDS on "S" brand and they too comply, even in their "off road" formula. I would of loved to of seen M1 0W40 in those tests. :)

    As far as earlier comments go on 50 weight oils, I'll try to explain.
    Based upon whether or not we are discussing synthetic or conventional oils, produces the primary basis on which actual oil weights in which we use. Since conventional is based upon the lower number in a 20W50 rating, the base weight is grade 20. However, in synthetic, and this is mainly which we discuss, the base weight is grade 50. This is because synthetic uses polymers which thin the oil instead of utilizing viscosity improvers such as VI which artificially help to raise viscosity at elevated temperatures. When the synthetic additive breakdown occurs, we are left with the ----> 50 weight and not the 20<------. So when adding synthetic 20 winter 50 to our crank case, we are adding an oil based upon 50 weight oil. What I should of said is that we would be adding an oil based upon 18cst@100°C, but I didn't wish to sound like a robot.

    So the difference between using a 50 weight oil and a 40 is the difference between 18cst and 13cst@100°C. In layman's terms, you gain approximately 28% more flow. Some 50 weight oils such as Motorex are as high as 24cst@100°C and in this case, there is 46% greater flow. Better flow, better cooling, longer lasting investment.
  6. Tinken Husqvarna
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    The starter gear does use a worm gear. From the pictures, you can see metal deformation near the top of the gear where the soft metal is actually peeled back, not worn. Updated gear sets are supposed to be hardened to stop this from happening. Obviously the thinner oil does allow for greater flow density between the two gears. However, I fear that no matter which oil is used, this will continue to happen until the gears have reached the ability to handle the load pressure.

    I remember Bill working on a set of upgraded gears to solve this issue. If for some reason this isn't worked out between Husqvarna and it's customer base in the future, we will look into resolving this issue once and for all.

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  7. guscycle Husqvarna
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    ..I have had doubts if these were the "updated" gear set as was I informed by the dealer :confused: . I would like to look into this "warranty replacement" by the dealer. Is there a way to see if an actual claim was made on these bikes? I know when I was a dealer several years ago,I would file a factory warranty claim and sometimes I would have to hold onto the parts for a month maybe even longer or would have to submit the part with the claim.Whatever the case ,I would have a copy of the claim on file or I could contact Husqvarna (Cagiva USA) and get a copy. If the dealer is not making good on this issue and is making false claims ,I don't know...I just want to serve my customers with the correct solution and resolve this a.s.a.p.. Now it's unfortunate these kits are on factory back order :banghead:
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    Great info thanks. I have a buddy with a 310 with 4500 miles on it, need to get him to look at his. I don't like worm drives because of the small contact patch on the receiving gear and that the worm drive gear is usually long and can flex and cause issues. I have seen some of these same issues using worm drives in other devices. I have to wonder if when the motors decomp does not work well which seems to be a case a lot then there is more pressure on the worm drive than usual and it deflects and walks up the driven gear and causes this deformation.
  9. guscycle Husqvarna
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    ..That's "one" of the reasons several shops have set their bikes up with a slighter tighter valve adjustment on the decomp side valve- to aid in compression relief for the electric starter -also helping with the kicker as well.
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  10. STEVEL Husqvarna
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    Ive had the same problem, having had the 'revised' gearing fitted after a failure on my 1st race 3 days after i bought it has lasted 10 weeks then the same has happened.

    My decomp valve was set at 009/.227 so i have re-shimmed to 007/.18 as the next size down too small i.e 005/.127.

    Im fitting the new gears tonight and hope it will last this time, i have also bought some Mobil 1 oil 0w40, removed the thermostat and housing and bought this oil additive similar to that recommended. Im awaiting a SS oil filter also!

    http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/221372857009?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649

    Hopefully this will sort it!

    Removed gearing; Unable to add pic dont know why but looks the same as above, gnarled after 10 hours
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