1. Husqvarna Motorcycles Made In Sweden - About 1988 and older

restoring a Up-Tite 87 250 XC...

Discussion in 'Vintage Restoration Projects' started by everfree, Jan 26, 2016.

  1. everfree Husqvarna
    Pro Class

    Location:
    Bend, Oregon
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    86 430AE (2), 88 430AE, 87 430WR (2)
    Other Motorcycles:
    87 250 XC, 87 430 CR, '17 GG 300
    I will.
    If I can use the same size piston, I have a NOS piston that size.
    If I need to go 2nd over, then I'll have to find one or re-line the cylinder so I can use what's available.

    Wonder if Nikasil coating is worth it for increasing cylinder life?
  2. justintendo klotz super techniplate junkie

    Location:
    mercer, pa/northwest pa
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    84 250,86 400,87 430,88 250,95 360
    Other Motorcycles:
    99 kawasaki zrx 1100
    my 79 wr250 also had signs of someone not knowing what a flywheel puller was..the crank was an extra few thou out of spec from beating on the flywheel...wasnt hard to fix on the truing stands but something to look for. makes a difference in engine vibes
  3. justintendo klotz super techniplate junkie

    Location:
    mercer, pa/northwest pa
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    84 250,86 400,87 430,88 250,95 360
    Other Motorcycles:
    99 kawasaki zrx 1100
    hard to say if nikasil is worth it, the oe setup is good for several hundred hours if fed clean air...the piston selection is a bit dim but otherwise i really like the 250 "stroker"...kinda runs like a mini 400/430...very similar powerband delivery. the earlier 250s had minimal bottom and varying levels of midrange with great top. i would be really interested to see the differences the george earl portwork made.
  4. everfree Husqvarna
    Pro Class

    Location:
    Bend, Oregon
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    86 430AE (2), 88 430AE, 87 430WR (2)
    Other Motorcycles:
    87 250 XC, 87 430 CR, '17 GG 300
    Good point on clean air, i.e., keep that air filter clean!

    Nice to hear the '87+ 250s are more like a 400/430, which I love.
    Since I ride mostly 430's and have never ridden a 87 250, the bottom and mid performance will be interesting. I hope its not too weak.

    When I asked George about his philosophy and what he was looking to achieve, he said since he rides a lot in Baja in wildly varying conditions and weather, "There is a lot involved, but what I try to do is get a smoother power delivery, while letting the motor breathe easier, and this has always worked out to get more HP and better torque, this also makes for easier jetting."

    This 87 250 did not have a Up-Tite pipe, which I think it needs to take full advantage of the porting. I asked George if he will make any more 250 pipes and he said he's working on 430 pipes first.

    It might also be worth trying a Lectron too. I have a 38mm.
  5. hva-factory CH Sponsor

    Location:
    uk
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    Husqvarna 510TE , 300WR Etc...
    It has been converted from a power valve version to the more reliable no-power valve 88 cylinder. We have those ignitions and the NOS pistons in stock...

    Andy.
  6. everfree Husqvarna
    Pro Class

    Location:
    Bend, Oregon
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    86 430AE (2), 88 430AE, 87 430WR (2)
    Other Motorcycles:
    87 250 XC, 87 430 CR, '17 GG 300
    Andy, thanks. Is the 88 cylinder different than the 87?
    BTW, the case has no serial number stamped.
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  7. justintendo klotz super techniplate junkie

    Location:
    mercer, pa/northwest pa
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    84 250,86 400,87 430,88 250,95 360
    Other Motorcycles:
    99 kawasaki zrx 1100
    converted? mines an xc and never had a powervalve..but the powervalve pistons will work fine?
  8. justintendo klotz super techniplate junkie

    Location:
    mercer, pa/northwest pa
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    84 250,86 400,87 430,88 250,95 360
    Other Motorcycles:
    99 kawasaki zrx 1100
    no doubt it will feel a bit weak compared to the big bore..but also less tiring. oddly, my 88 is the only husky ive owned that runs great very close to book spec jetting. as you know the 430 specs are waaaay off.
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  9. Bodger Husqvarna
    A Class

    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    wr400 enduro 1986
    Other Motorcycles:
    triumphs, bsas, yam tt500
    Hey Everfree, I see you are in Portland...is this one of yours?.....the 400 LC I have posted in the Vintage for sale list
    http://www.cafehusky.com/threads/husqvarna-vintage-for-sale-in-the-world.34230/page-171

    and if not, why not, hahaha....and there is an extra motor or roller available too..

    I am following your resto, good job, keep at it.
  10. darren7878 Husqvarna
    AA Class

    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    79 CR390 and 84 CR250
    Other Motorcycles:
    81 Maico, 79 Kawasaki, 88 Honda
    or the top end was seized and they hammered at the piston to free it? :rolleyes:
  11. everfree Husqvarna
    Pro Class

    Location:
    Bend, Oregon
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    86 430AE (2), 88 430AE, 87 430WR (2)
    Other Motorcycles:
    87 250 XC, 87 430 CR, '17 GG 300
    Thanks, Bodger. The 400 is not mine, though I saw the ad and considered buying it.
    I've decided to stay focused on the 86, 87 and 88 year models or I'll have too many bikes and too many projects!
    My wife thinks I have too many bikes (like 7 bikes can be too many!) and I'm working out of a single car, tuck-under garage where space is tight. I managed to sneak in this 87 250 only because I disassembled it before my wife noticed! Ask for forgiveness later right?
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  12. everfree Husqvarna
    Pro Class

    Location:
    Bend, Oregon
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    86 430AE (2), 88 430AE, 87 430WR (2)
    Other Motorcycles:
    87 250 XC, 87 430 CR, '17 GG 300
    more pics...

    Clutch side cover off... that large gear at the kick shaft is a new one and hard to find.
    That's a bonus. Some past owner did some work on it.

    IMG_1582.JPG

    ready to pull the magneto top, thankfully the puller threaded on enough to hold. Somebody beat on it good.
    IMG_1585.JPG

    This is probably why the PO couldn't start it... corroded and rusted magneto. Hard to generate any current with this.
    Leave a bike out in the Oregon coast weather and this what you get.
    Thankfully, the motor was never froze up.
    IMG_1586.JPG

    Other side of case... found a broke off bolt on the wide crank support washer. See lower bolt.
    The bolt was probably over-tightened, as we found the 3 other existing bolts stretched and didn't want to come out. New bolts went in easy.
    IMG_1589.JPG
  13. everfree Husqvarna
    Pro Class

    Location:
    Bend, Oregon
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    86 430AE (2), 88 430AE, 87 430WR (2)
    Other Motorcycles:
    87 250 XC, 87 430 CR, '17 GG 300
    Got word back from the machine shop.

    They measured the cylinder and piston for wear and roundness.
    Cylinder is fine but piston skirt was worn. With a quick hone on the cylinder we should be able to use the same size piston - 66.69 1st over.
    I have a pretty NOS one available.
    The rod is fine, but replaced the rod bearing.

    Next up, cleaning the cases and replacing all the bearings.

    Does anyone know of a solvent that will remove powder coat? I need to clean the cases.
    Thanks.
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  14. justintendo klotz super techniplate junkie

    Location:
    mercer, pa/northwest pa
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    84 250,86 400,87 430,88 250,95 360
    Other Motorcycles:
    99 kawasaki zrx 1100
    painful....
    i have faith you will treat her right though.
    i have had good luck repairing the broken crank end by grinding down a flat spot, drill/tap for a bolt. once the flywheel is seated to the correct torque it will stay seated. i stay away from standard on my hoosks but a 1/4" bolt serves well and lasted for a good while in my friends bike. of course a new crank stub would be ideal.
  15. everfree Husqvarna
    Pro Class

    Location:
    Bend, Oregon
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    86 430AE (2), 88 430AE, 87 430WR (2)
    Other Motorcycles:
    87 250 XC, 87 430 CR, '17 GG 300
    Inspecting the gears now... for wear. I expect to be replacing a few. And the clutch too.
    I'd like to get her back to race ready.
    I have a new crank stub. We'll just press it in. Hopefully I'll get the crank assembly back next week. Hope to be getting the motor together next week.
    In the meantime, I have plenty of work to do on the other parts.
  16. rwgregory Husqvarna
    AA Class

    Location:
    Chula Vista, CA
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    1985 500XC, 1987 510TX, 1990 510WMX
    Other Motorcycles:
    1979 Honda CR250,'88 CR500,'92 XR600
    I found this out totally by accident. I wanted to remove some boot scuff marks from the engine side covers of my 1979 Honda CR250. The Marty Smith autograph model with the red powder coated engine from Honda. I squirted some Berryman's B-12 on the side cover and started to rub the scuff marks with a rag and sure enough the scuff marks came off... as well as some red powder coating!!!

    You might want to try some Berryman's on your cases and see if Swedish powder coat is tougher than Japanese powder coat.
  17. oldbikedude Husqvarna
    Pro Class

    Location:
    Honey Brook Pa.
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    1988 wr 430 with cr suspension
    Other Motorcycles:
    66flh,67 CA77,76 CR125M,73H1,74ty250
    I was told when I did my motor the the cases were really hard to strip....so I didn't. I just used scotch brites & light sanding in rough spots. Here is what I did to mine: http://www.cafehusky.com/threads/l-c-430-right-crank-bearing.27095/page-2
  18. everfree Husqvarna
    Pro Class

    Location:
    Bend, Oregon
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    86 430AE (2), 88 430AE, 87 430WR (2)
    Other Motorcycles:
    87 250 XC, 87 430 CR, '17 GG 300
    Went to the Berryman's web site. Looks like the serious solvent stuff. I'm looking for it. Thanks.
  19. everfree Husqvarna
    Pro Class

    Location:
    Bend, Oregon
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    86 430AE (2), 88 430AE, 87 430WR (2)
    Other Motorcycles:
    87 250 XC, 87 430 CR, '17 GG 300
    oldbikedude, I think you're right. Stripping might be too much trouble.
    Looking at your finished motor in your thread, it looks great. I forgot about your thread, although its been a couple of years ago.
    Like the video, the 430 sounds good!
  20. oldbikedude Husqvarna
    Pro Class

    Location:
    Honey Brook Pa.
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    1988 wr 430 with cr suspension
    Other Motorcycles:
    66flh,67 CA77,76 CR125M,73H1,74ty250
    Thanks...I was just telling my son that I still can't believe my 430 started 1st kick after all I did to it. He reminded me we had it on video (albeit a poor video). Only fitting you got to see it today. The paint is not as durable but it still looks great.