Came across this product and was wondering if anyone is using it. I did search the site and didn't see any mention of it. What do you guys think? They are about $70 http://www.kandpengineering.com/2160.shtml
I've used the Scotts stainless steel filters since 2004. TC450,TE450,TXC450,TE310,TXC310R. http://www.scottsonline.com/Product_Models.php?PartType=3&Make=Husqvarna
So i take it you have good luck with these filters? The filter would pay for itself in 10 oil changes...id say it'd be worth it if you plan on keeping your bike for awhile.
Its the same type we use all over in the aircraft industry to filter oil/fuel/Hydraulic fluids (in the aircraft the all of you fly in as well). Its about durability and bullet proof engineering reducing the chances of failure options for me, cost is secondary. I have no issues using these and Scotts is the best source in my opinion. RN You just need to practice good clean up evolutions, with a good solvent and brush.
All great points and don't forget the the higher flow that can eliminate the filter bypass that can occur with a conventional filter after cold start up.
Call www.pcracingusa.com 951/698-4962 Give them your filter dimensions. They may have a stainless steel filter to match for as little as $19.99. This is the best reason for using a SS filter. It will outflow fiber filters 7 to 1.
Also, i was quoted ~$30 for the xlite engines filters because the same filter fit the japan bikes and the sheer quantity of producing a filter that size drove the price way down from the $70 number ...
or just toss it when it's dirty when you, hmm, i dunnow, change yer oil...like god and the factory intended! why's paper a good (and restrictive) choice? cuz it traps super small stuff that kills your engine over time cuz the oil is [recirculated]. these oil filters trap stuff on an almost microscopic scale. no way you can clean that w/o killing it. i've yet to see a paper MC filter you can buy in almost any shop in any country for a couple bucks just up and fail, kill an engine or do its job. ever! we've dones studies here on these "types" of filters (none of which are named here) and gauze/screen type (barf!!!) air filters (brands omitted). you'd be surpised at the ACTUAL results. ones things for sure- higher flow in all cases comes at a price! so much so we issued TSB's over it. and other stuff! and when the maker says "it filters better when it gets dirty"? you do the math, red flag! and the cost thing? (pays for itself in x-services) that's rich! old saying goes- "pay me now or pay me later" still true today. do these reuseable MC oil filters work? YES!- they do a good job, a fine product! do they work better than the one they replaced? No. its yer bike- and money, i know, but homie dont recycle oil filters. ever! i wont in my bike or yours. just sayin'!
Tinken, I contacted PC racing last year after I ordered a filter from them for the 11 TE310 that did not fit, well it did fit if you forced it (some backyarders could do that), which would have had the oil pushing through the bypass valve and not around the outside to the filter mesh. It was too tall by a few mm. so it butted hard against the motor case and completley mashed the spring washer/spacer. I gave them all the info and the dims of the oem filter so they could match up a proper X-Lite oil filter. That was the last I heard from them (or better they heard from me). I ordered the Scotts brand again , yes more expensive, but it does look better built upon close inspection, but heck the things may be sourced from mthe same dang factory (in China most likely!!). There is a thread somewhere here in the Cafe with that story/info. Rob (that PC filter is hanging up in my garage, unused) Also for PV, I got ya, I fully understand, however my oil (highest quality MC designed stuff) is changed way more often than OEM spec and more than most everyone even here in the Cafe changes theirs, so in my case the SS is a great set up and does the job for me. If you are an 3000 mile oil changer stick with OEM. There are times where after a hardcore clutch slippin under a 100 miler or any H&H and most HS events I'm dumping my oil, and we're talkin freakin 75 miles for some of these rides (thats excessive/obsessive). PS Fram was having paper type filter glue failures a few year back and I think they had a recall in MC filters (but that is super rare of course) PPS so for those of you that have ordered a filter from anyone other than Scotts I would measure the dims of that SS filter against the dims of the OEM filter to be sure they match up prior to installation.
Paper filters also let much larger particles pass through because they filter on percentages., even as big as 300 microns which is double the size of fine sand. In reality, our motorcycles hold a quart of oil and the real way we clean that oil is to dump it and put fresh in. It would be different on an automobile that holds its oil for thousands of miles or aircraft which uses specialty filters.The amount of wear we get at startup far exceeds that from particles smaller than 35 microns .
That's a bummer Rob, do you mind if I borrow the filter that didn't fit?II know that TY uses the Scott's, I was just trying to save people some money.
From your pictures, it's not the filter that is the incorrect size, but the rubber gasket. I wonder if the gaskets are interchangeable on the 116's like they are on my PC 167's?
The reusable filter discussion is an interesting one. Like Tinken says micron ratings can be misleading. Scotts filters are rated down to 35 microns each time the oil goes through. A "paper" filter can filter to a smaller micron rating, but a smaller particle may need to go through the filter 5+ times before its caught and all the while letting much larger particles through. Then there is the issue of filter bypass. A filter with a very low micron rating doesn't do a bit of good when the oil is bypassing the filter because it can't take the flow when the oil is cold at start up or when there is a lot of debris in the filter following a failure event. Which brings me to another point, paper filters have more square inches of media than SS because of the way the paper can be folded and can hold more debris before bypassing. I have a SS filter in one bike and clean it every oil change. There are advantages to both types and FWIW I still use paper filters on my Husky four strokes.
paper ones? one less thing to clean. you handle as many carcinogens as i do? you'll appreciate recycling it. paper filters are better for the enviornment. so there you ungreen heathens!
The bypass on the 449/511 is after the filter, so on those particular engines, flow is everything. The xlites have flow issues as well which is evident with the special mixes of oil and the oil galleries upgrades on the MY13. As far as the environment goes, the reuse able filter is definitely better and is actually one of K&P's sales pitches. The used oil filters are rarely recycled and end up in our landfills, oceans and atmosphere depending on how your garbage is handled. I won't argue the fact that paper cartridges are more convienent, pull them out, put in a brand new one, done. The SS filters are more trouble to clean, but not ridiculous once you get your system of cleaning down. OldHusky had one of his paper filters shred to pieces and some of my hiflo filters got a little over hairy for my liking. If by chance one does shred on you, I would be happy to help you with your repairs *grin* For me, it's ss filters, but for you, it's your preference.
fooey! i be i have personaly changed hundreds of those hiflow and oem filters. never seen one pop. seen 'em crushed from impropper install though! cleaning an oil filter in hiflash solvents? how is that more bio-freindly!!!?? riddle me that mr. greenjeans! the lil paper ones that dont get recycled? break-down in landfills pretty quick due to heat and pressure. then, turn right back into oil in a few eaons. so there! and im subscribing your shop's e-mail to the greenpeace weekly newsletter Tinken! bah! mreeeeep!
