• Hi everyone,

    As you all know, Coffee (Dean) passed away a couple of years ago. I am Dean's ex-wife's husband and happen to have spent my career in tech. Over the years, I occasionally helped Dean with various tech issues.

    When he passed, I worked with his kids to gather the necessary credentials to keep this site running. Since then (and for however long they worked with Coffee), Woodschick and Dirtdame have been maintaining the site and covering the costs. Without their hard work and financial support, CafeHusky would have been lost.

    Over the past couple of weeks, I’ve been working to migrate the site to a free cloud compute instance so that Woodschick and Dirtdame no longer have to fund it. At the same time, I’ve updated the site to a current version of XenForo (the discussion software it runs on). The previous version was outdated and no longer supported.

    Unfortunately, the new software version doesn’t support importing the old site’s styles, so for now, you’ll see the XenForo default style. This may change over time.

    Coffee didn’t document the work he did on the site, so I’ve been digging through the old setup to understand how everything was running. There may still be things I’ve missed. One known issue is that email functionality is not yet working on the new site, but I hope to resolve this over time.

    Thanks for your patience and support!

Reusable oil filter

Haha PV. You could yo use hot soapy water.. Why stop there, use G oil in your bike, made in the USA from algae. :D
 
fooey! stop reinventing the wheel!

get ready for a LOT of enviromentally freindly e-mails you eco-geek! :lol:

baroop!
 
Race engines have larger oil clearances than production automobile engines. SS filters are more than adequate to remove particles that are big enough to cause damage and flow enough to prevent bypass when the oil is cold and thick on start up. Plus it's much easier to see what's in the filter and catch a possible problem before it gets serious.

The points brought up by you tree hugging hippies aren't worth addressing... Sorry :excuseme:
 
those fotos are from ray and look good mine was visually taller and of course measured quite a bit bigger as well, i measured only the metal body. and like i said i swapped the grommet to lose some height.. maybe it was only mine was mis labled who knows. i did my job and filed a report with pc im done.
 
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fine- i'll jsut do what you failed to do...and recycle it you carbon footprint king!

hey rob, mail me the filter. id like to drop it off at ZTR...in person, its only 45 mins away for me. :D muwahahahaha.
 
many humble apoligies to the board for massive outbursts of derailments and my angry midgetedness. :(

back on topic.......
 
robertaccio said:
...my oil (highest quality MC designed stuff) is changed way more often than OEM spec and more than most everyone even here in the Cafe changes theirs, so in my case the SS is a great set up and does the job for me. If you are an 3000 mile oil changer stick with OEM. There are times where after a hardcore clutch slippin under a 100 miler or any H&H and most HS events I'm dumping my oil, and we're talkin freakin 75 miles for some of these rides (thats excessive/obsessive)...
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I change oil obsessively too. This was the main reason as to why I was looking into these filters to begin with. I believe I will go with the Scotts SS filter. Thanks for all the inputs!
 
put the Scotts SS oil filter in the Husky at the last oil change.
If it EVER quits snowing maybe I'll even get a ride or two...

My son has a CRF50.
It holds 0.6 liters of oil and has no oil filter at all.
These bikes are famous for outlasting several riders and surviving on minimal maintenance.
I changed the oil and cleaned the air filter last fall, likely the first time the air filter has been out of the thing (we bought it well-used).
No idea where I'm going with this, just seems interesting: no oil filter in it.
My Scorpa is also unburdened with any type of oil filter.
Holds a liter of oil, same as the Husky.
Likely 20% of the HP and a lower red-line...
 
There is an oil filter in all those Honda engines it is in the clutch cover it uses centripital force. flows the oil through the spinning hub and particulates get flung outward. Sometimes they are REALLY packed with debris when I get to them!! Same concept used on all the early Honda 4T's.

I like paper filters: They are convenient but most certainly do pass unfiltered oil at startup.

I like stainless mesh filters: They last forever and are insightfull in what they catch...but they are a pain to clean kinda.

Quite frankly your motor will fail from dirt ingestion-related issues or part failure-rate, way before the type of oil or filter cause any issue. I promise!
 
aha! someone is using their noggin! :) We have heard that we cant compare motorcycles to cars and aircraft because, well, I'm not sure why. Qty. has nothing to do with particulate matter, cooling capability yes to a degree. Cars use more oil because they are bigger engines and need more to cool. Aircraft don't use special filters (I use paper in my CHP helicopter, Know why? Because the stainless engine filter was not up to snuff so we all added paper aftermarkets to make up for their shortcomings in this case). We have heard that some company with few employees out in the desert says that paper is bad and gives all kinds of totally unsubstantiated reasons why. They sell metal filters, that's why. Do we honestly believe that GM, Toyota, BMW or even Ferrari for that matter would risk their business if paper didn't work? How about Boeing or EADS? Some bikes don't even need a filter! Go figure. Use what you want, change it frequently, and know what your talking about before you spread internet and marketing crap to the masses. all is good. :thumbsup:
 
"Attached is a picture from a bud on the big dog forum that had shown pieces of paper media on his K&P filter for the first 2 oil changes after switching. Never has he seen another piece since then. His big dog now has over 60k on the motor with nothing done to the motor. He expects to get many more miles on the motor with no problems." Chris C
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K&P makes Scott's SS filters.
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4) How does this type of filtration compare to paper oil filters?

We use ASTMF316 testing procedures which eliminate many of the user variables found in the SAE procedures. Basically, the filter media is pressurized from one side, and when the media starts passing particles, that is the micron rating. We sent filter media from several common brands of paper filters to the lab to be run through the ASTM test. We sent the media to the lab with no names, just numbers for identification so they wouldn't have any idea what brand filter they were testing. The results for the paper filters ranged from 48 microns for the best filter to over 300 microns for the worst filter. Our tests were right in line with other testing results we have researched that have paper media filters passing particles anywhere between 50 and 90 microns. What does this mean? Paper filters are rated on averages, percentages of efficiency (also known as beta ratios) and multiple passes, so a 10 micron rated paper filter (as advertised on the packaging) may be letting particles 50 microns and larger through. The medical grade stainless steel cloth that we use is consistent across the entire media surface and is rated at 35 microns, meaning nothing larger than 35 microns should pass through the material. The bottom line is we meet or exceed the filtration performance of OEM filters, eliminating any warranty issues.
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6) What about flow rate and why is it so important?

A very important dimension of oil filters is the flow rate. It doesn't matter how good the filter media is if the oil is going through the bypass due to a low flow rate. We believe many people mistakenly chase smaller and smaller micron ratings to try to get cleaner oil. Flow rate is decreased exponentially as the micron rating is decreased. Again, once the flow is restricted to the point the bypass opens, the filter media rating becomes a moot point. This is why we meet or exceed the filtration of the factory filters to meet warranty requirements, while concentrating on providing maximum flow. This combination delivers the maximum combined benefit from the oil filter. A one-inch square of our filter material can flow 1.9 gallons of oil per minute at only 1-PSI pump pressure (70 degrees F). This means the stainless steel filter cloth we use in our small spin on filter element can flow 57 gals/minute.
We have run static pressure tests between our filters and paper filters for an identical application. For the same sized filters, our stainless steel micronic filter consistently flowed over 7 times more oil for the same time period than did the paper filter (tests were run at 68 degree ambient temperature). How does this affect what is going on inside your engine? We installed pressure gauges on each side of the filter element on a pro stock drag race engine so we could measure differential pressures (the difference in pressure between the input side of the filter element and the output side of the element). During a full pass down the strip the differential pressure of the stock paper filter measured 20psi difference. Our filter measured less than 1psi difference. Less differential pressure means less chance of bypass operation, faster oil pressure at startup, less drag on the oil pump (potential horsepower gains) and higher flow through the engine, often helping to cool the oil and keep the crankcase cleaner.

Another thing that can affect the paper filter flow is moisture. Not everyone is aware that engines get condensation in them. When paper gets wet it swells and may pass even less oil.

Now, think about all the particulates that have had a chance to settle to the bottom of the oil pan right where the oil pickup is... just waiting to go through the bypass valve directly to the engine components...
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http://www.kandpengineering.com/faq.shtml
 
McKay said:
aha! someone is using their noggin! :) We have heard that we cant compare motorcycles to cars and aircraft because, well, I'm not sure why. Qty. has nothing to do with particulate matter, cooling capability yes to a degree. Cars use more oil because they are bigger engines and need more to cool. Aircraft don't use special filters (I use paper in my CHP helicopter, Know why? Because the stainless engine filter was not up to snuff so we all added paper aftermarkets to make up for their shortcomings in this case). We have heard that some company with few employees out in the desert says that paper is bad and gives all kinds of totally unsubstantiated reasons why. They sell metal filters, that's why. Do we honestly believe that GM, Toyota, BMW or even Ferrari for that matter would risk their business if paper didn't work? How about Boeing or EADS? Some bikes don't even need a filter! Go figure. Use what you want, change it frequently, and know what your talking about before you spread internet and marketing crap to the masses. all is good. :thumbsup:
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Ziptyracing does not sell oil filters, ss or paper. I have sold a couple personaly as part of a cooler project if that is what you are refering to. I am here offering my opinion as helpful advice only. Personally I find your insinuations pointed towards us to be childish and unhelpful to the topic at hand.
 
Tinken said:
Ziptyracing does not sell oil filters, ss or paper. I have sold a couple personaly as part of a cooler project if that is what you are refering to. I am here offering my opinion as helpful advice only. Personally I find your insinuations pointed towards us to be childish and unhelpful to the topic at hand.
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Didn't say a thing about Zipty or even imply them. Your opinion is wanted and very helpful at times, your insistence that your information is correct on this particular matter is what I have issue with. It is not accurate, no matter how you spin it or how many misleading pictures you post to make your point.
Not peeing in your Wheaties, just projecting a counter view to yours, a professional one that can be backed up.
 
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