SMR 449/511 - Model Specific upgrades and modifications

Discussion in 'Super Moto' started by Caiman, Dec 6, 2013.

  1. Super5onic88 Husqvarna
    AA Class

    Location:
    Perth, Australia
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    SMR 449
    Other Motorcycles:
    RGV 250
    How do you rate your Suter Caiman? Install and function?
    I am looking at a slipper for my next upgrade just tossing up between the Suter and an STM.
  2. Tinken Husqvarna
    Pro Class

    Location:
    Hesperia, CA
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    MY12 WR511
    Other Motorcycles:
    Yamaha
  3. Caiman Senior Vice Procrastinator

    Location:
    Australia
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    SWM SM500R
    Smooth, nothing like going from 4th to first with zero clutch feathering, just dump the fcker and the rear wheel glides along, no hopping. I have a few issues which may or not be clutch related (nothing major, just niggles), but I haven't got access to a bike without a slipper clutch to test.

    As to STM or Suter, get whichever's cheaper/easier to get a hold of, these days they're much of a muchness.
  4. Caiman Senior Vice Procrastinator

    Location:
    Australia
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    SWM SM500R
  5. Londin Husqvarna
    AA Class

    Location:
    Denmark
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    SMR 449 MY11
    Other Motorcycles:
    Ducati 848 and Hypermotard 1100

    No lockwire?
  6. Tinken Husqvarna
    Pro Class

    Location:
    Hesperia, CA
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    MY12 WR511
    Other Motorcycles:
    Yamaha
    I wasn't actually sure what it fit, I figured you would sort it out. :D
  7. Super5onic88 Husqvarna
    AA Class

    Location:
    Perth, Australia
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    SMR 449
    Other Motorcycles:
    RGV 250
  8. Caiman Senior Vice Procrastinator

    Location:
    Australia
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    SWM SM500R
    Instead of spending $100 on a lever, I 1000% recommend saving up for an RCS 15 M/C w- short lever. Once you've tried one, the OEM master will always feel like a let down. I've converted several mates onto them and there's zero complaints from any of them, both on supermoto (RCS15) and sports bikes (RCS19).
  9. Caiman Senior Vice Procrastinator

    Location:
    Australia
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    SWM SM500R
    Negative, haven't raced since my little aerial escapade last year... might get pre-drilled SS pro-bolts if I sort these fork lugs out.
  10. Super5onic88 Husqvarna
    AA Class

    Location:
    Perth, Australia
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    SMR 449
    Other Motorcycles:
    RGV 250
    Can you get RCS15s with mirror mounts? Is a custom brakeline needed?
  11. Caiman Senior Vice Procrastinator

    Location:
    Australia
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    SWM SM500R
    The angle of the banjo fitting at the master is different so a new line is necessary ($72ish delivered from HEL), and yes you can buy (bit exxy for what it is) mirror mounts for the RCS masters. I run bar mount mirrors so this didn't bother me.
  12. Theo Husqvarna
    AA Class

    Location:
    Lombardy, Italy
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    SM 610 I.E.
    Other Motorcycles:
    2001 YZ250
    A chap I used to have supermoto-trips with installed a radial MC on his 610 without replacing the line: he used an adapter like this (this one in the photo is for twin calipers brakes, but there are adapters for single caliper systems, too):
    [IMG]
    The price is about 10 or 15 € here, exluding the hydrostop.
  13. R. Stephen Husqvarna
    Pro Class


    This is how well my Suter did after 40hr on the track. I called them and they said that could be normal?!?!?!? but they did send me a new spring. I'm a bit reluctant to put it back in next season for supermoto because had I not caught it those spring pieces would have made their way into my engine. Pretty expensive clutch to just grenade like that.

    Photo Oct 26, 3 34 13 PM.jpg Photo Oct 26, 3 36 53 PM.jpg
  14. Caiman Senior Vice Procrastinator

    Location:
    Australia
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    SWM SM500R
    That's not good, 90h of mixed use on mine, might have to give it a look over. Getting the main nut off that sporting will be a pain, red loctite sucks!
  15. Londin Husqvarna
    AA Class

    Location:
    Denmark
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    SMR 449 MY11
    Other Motorcycles:
    Ducati 848 and Hypermotard 1100
    That makes me nervous... guess i better use my winter brake for having a look at that!
  16. R. Stephen Husqvarna
    Pro Class

    Yeah, I was told they went back through and double checked their design and fatigue life on the spring to be sure it wasn't a defect. When originally installing it I also had an issue with the outer plate for the throw out bearing being mis-machined and they had to send me a new one of those as well. Last year they were the only company with a slipper for these bikes so my hands were tired. Either run a Suter on no slipper at all. Fingers crossed no issues in the future. I did not run the clutch in my ice bike in fear of putting to many hour on delicate clutch.

    Caiman a battery powered impact gun works wonders for removing that nut. They want red loctite on everything when putting that in.
  17. Tinken Husqvarna
    Pro Class

    Location:
    Hesperia, CA
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    MY12 WR511
    Other Motorcycles:
    Yamaha
    How is that clutch going to hold up when you start boosting the torque and hp?
  18. R. Stephen Husqvarna
    Pro Class

    No idea...... Might have to go to a heavier spring but that begins to defeat the purpose of the slipper then if the spring is so heavy it does not slip much. I'm really hoping it was a material defect or a fluke.. Suter is known to have good products but I don't think there are many of these clutches in use to know if it was just mine or all of them.
  19. Super5onic88 Husqvarna
    AA Class

    Location:
    Perth, Australia
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    SMR 449
    Other Motorcycles:
    RGV 250
    The STM seems to be about $300-400 more but I'm told they are more fiddley to adjust and need a special tool that costs extra.
  20. huskylove Husqvarna
    Pro Class

    Location:
    norcal
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    1999 cr125 in progress
    More info on this?

    Removing one butterfly will promote better flow right?