Two new offroad 250F's from Yamaha for 2015

Would you really choose to go back to a cable after having a hydraulic clutch? I don't think you would.

I hear what you're saying about reliability, most of my mates that have had Magura clutches have had leaks. The Brembo one on the TE has been great, I haven't had to touch it & I can ride one finger on it all day.
Definately felt a full day on my WR450F cable clutch though.

If the cable clutch is soft it's OK, but I prefer hidraulically because always works soft & I never have had any problem...

The diferent weight between Mx & Enduro is 12kg, too much. Yzf 250 is light 99 kg dry, but the work to adapt the bike to Enduro is not so good.

And what do you think about the position of the Enduro muffler?....

The TE is my first hydraulic clutch as well.
Even if I buy a bike with a cable next it'll be getting a retro fit to hydraulics, not a deal breaker for me.
I've broken a cable before too, but no clutch isn't the end of the ride, just a challenge to get home.
All good

You're right!
The increase is a massive 13kg, from 105 wet YZF to 118 wet WR off the Euro website specs.

What did they do, fill the frame tubes with cement? That is a hell of a lot of extra lights & wiring.

So where is it all?
Bigger alternator, battery, starter & gears, lights, likely heavier(quieter) muffler, radiator overflow tank?.....
Doesn't add up to me, I reckon that should be 8-10kg tops.

I wish the MX weapons were an option in 'Nazi' controlled Australia where, in all but 2 states, we have to have full registration to ride on forrest trails...... sigh.

Sherco 450 looks nice still, 109kg dry....

Their 250 enduro is 102KG, less than the YZ250 by 5kg & less than their own 2st.
Euros for the win!!

Sherco 250i-300i 4stroke real dry weight is about 107 - 108kg...

450i will be more or less 111kg...


Also Yamaha is more more reliable...

Yes, Ktm only needs about 8 kg to get all enduro components... here there is the 5kg diference... Yamaha get's enduro components without thinking in competition...

There are always weight savings on Japanese dirt/Enduro bikes from my experience. The rock solid long term durability synonymous with Yamaha engines is notable IMHO.

The five valve Yamaha in 450cc guise is nuclear proof, no question there!
I flogged my '05 around the forrest over here for 185 trouble-free hrs before selling it for the TE449.
It will be interesting to see how the new 4valve reverse cyl eninge is in an enduro for life, hopefully as good.

The lighter TE is as reliable with no mechanical trouble in 145hrs, not even a valve reshim.
Time will tell with the brand new Sherco 450 engine as it isn't released yet.
It looks increasingly likely I'll end up on one so might be able to let you know first hand.

Yamaha is the best in durability...

Hva 449 is reliable too, but sherco 250-300 4s... not so much... not big problems but is not his best.

Sherco 450 will see...

The position of the muffler of yzf & fx is one of it's best innovations... but in enduro wrf, Yamaha don't respect this position & waste this innovation. ..

I really don't like it...

Looks like the WR's have the muffler mounted higher for better water crossing clearance IMO.

For a better wading depth the most important is admision (height of air filter) ... If the engine is running the water don't enter throught the muffler...
Yamaha wrf have a good wading depth because of the good position of the air filter...

I am surprised they are not offering a offroad version of the YZ 250
When are the new 250f's available ?

YES! A 6 speed trans, Estart, open chamber KYB's and a side stand would be awesome. Somebody pinch me, I must be dreaming...

18" rear wheel, bar mounted map switch(to keep up with the cool kids) & a bigger tank too. make the estart a proper estart or otherwise optional. throw in a hydro clutch to seal the deal! sign me up right now

Out of all the Japanese bikes I've ever ridden. The yzs I seem to adapt quickly to. And I've always (and to her face) compared my wife to a yz. Not the best at anything but simply good enough at everything to win the shootout!

Before jumping on this KTM whoops I mean Husqvarna band wagon my wife and friends suggested I buy a new yz 250 smoker. And I almost did......