1. 2 Stroke Husqvarna Motorcycles Made In Italy - About 1989 to 2014
    WR = 2st Enduro & CR = 2st Cross

250-500cc urgent help needed please, WR300 seized

Discussion in '2 Stroke' started by ks9mm, Jul 2, 2014.

  1. Kyle Tarry Husqvarna
    Pro Class

    Location:
    Portland, OR
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    2012 WR 300, 2006 TE 610
    Other Motorcycles:
    Ducati Monster S2R 800
    I run mine at 45 mph on the roads for short periods (a mile or two) all the time, no concerns. 68 mph is a LOT of revs, though. Combine the speed with a cold motor and possibly lean jetting, and boom!
  2. Kyle Tarry Husqvarna
    Pro Class

    Location:
    Portland, OR
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    2012 WR 300, 2006 TE 610
    Other Motorcycles:
    Ducati Monster S2R 800
    Hey, if you buy a new bike, how much do you want for your WR that's all blowed up? ;)
  3. ks9mm Husqvarna
    AA Class

    Location:
    NJ
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    2015 TE 125
    Other Motorcycles:
    2014 Beta 300RR
    Leo might buy it. Engine is in the shop already and I spent all day today going through every bolt and cleaning all up to original shine :)
  4. ray_ray Mini-Sponsor

    Location:
    The Philippines
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    08\013 WR250, 010 TC250, 012 TC250
    Isn't this a known way of seizing a 2t engine? REV it out hard and blip the throttle while the engine is still at high RPMs?

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    I'd just drink beer if I was you and at home ... Good luck with your chosen path.
  5. Dirtdame Administrator

    Location:
    Rock Springs Wy
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    11 WR300,13 WR125,18 FE501
    Other Motorcycles:
    17 Beta Xtrainer
    45 seems to be the threshold speed on my street legal KDX200, too. I can run it for a long time at that constant speed on the pavement....20-30 miles at a stretch without blowing it up.:thumbsup:
  6. Kyle Tarry Husqvarna
    Pro Class

    Location:
    Portland, OR
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    2012 WR 300, 2006 TE 610
    Other Motorcycles:
    Ducati Monster S2R 800
    Sure, but a KDX will run a 50 mph nearly forever, even if you forget to put premix in it and drain all the oil out of the gearbox. :lol: Those things have got to be one of the toughest bikes ever made. I had one and I miss it sometimes!
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  7. Jhunter Husqvarna
    AA Class

    Location:
    Atlanta
    The Carb experts need to correct me here... When you have the bike running down the road at a good clip of speed and your roll off the throttle and coast, the carb drops back down to the pilot jet (off the main jet). If the bike is at all lean it will be SUPER LEAN when you do a quick deceleration. This is when most bikes seize up. So, I'm not sure the whole engine temp was your problem. IMO, the bike was too lean and your fuel mix should be closer to 40:1.
  8. Jhunter Husqvarna
    AA Class

    Location:
    Atlanta
    Here's a great video from Jeff Slavens about lean jetting. At the 4:30 mark he talks about 'cutting the throttle' after a fast run and how a lean condition will blow a motor very easily.


    View: http://youtu.be/zVzqqpgviyI
  9. Kyle Tarry Husqvarna
    Pro Class

    Location:
    Portland, OR
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    2012 WR 300, 2006 TE 610
    Other Motorcycles:
    Ducati Monster S2R 800
    Yeah, the throttle lift problem can happen in lots of scenarios on a 2-stroke. For example, on long descents if you have the throttle closed under engine braking. It's not so much being lean that's the problem, but since the top end lubircation comes in with the fuel, being lean also means being light on oil. In theory it could also happen slowing down from a high speed with the throttle closed. I try to blip my throttle in these scenarios, but a short decel or a smaller hill shouldn't be an issue.

    Based on where on the piston it's worn ("4 corners"), I think that indicates a thermal mismatch. The high revs and possible lean condition only make that situation worse.

    For what it's worth, according to gearing commander (http://www.gearingcommander.com/), on stock gearing 60 mph in 5th is like 7500 rpm. :eek: That's a whole lot of revs on a cool engine at light, constant throttle.
  10. justpinit Husqvarna
    AA Class

    Location:
    Maryland
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    2012 wr 300
    Other Motorcycles:
    93 kx 125 with a kdx 200 engine.
    At 60 mph the engine is definitely revving pretty hard. On top of that it doesn't take much throttle to keep it there. Less throttle less oil, and at 50:1 you've all but eliminated the safety net.. Don't be silly mix it at 40:1 or more. I consider the 50:1 advertising a marketing gimmick.. Would like to see a pic of the bottom side of the piston crown. If it's black or has a dark spot, it got to hot. When this happens you have even less oil getting to the top end because it gets burned to the underside of the piston crown. This is where that safety net would be usefull.!!
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  11. shrubitup Husqvarna
    AA Class

    Location:
    Seattle WA
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    '00 TE610 (pretty much a WXE610)
    Other Motorcycles:
    Husaberg FE450, KTM 200EXC, Triumph
    Didn't know about Slavens method for motor warm up. Makes sense that you get less spooge that way. Got to be careful tho.
  12. Jhunter Husqvarna
    AA Class

    Location:
    Atlanta
    For what its worth, Jeff Slavens has a ton of 'How To' videos on YouTube. He speaks mostly to KTM but on a 2-Stroke the same concept carries over as is the case of the 'carb jetting'. Just FYI :thumbsup:
  13. Motosportz CH Sponsor

    Location:
    Vancouver WA
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    2021 TE250i, 570 Berg, 500 KTM, 790R
    Other Motorcycles:
    many
    Yep thats when it happens. High RPM and no gas/oil with chopped throttle. That is a very typical issue. also you compounded it with your "I hit 68mph on 1:35 in to the ride" oh well, fix it and move on. Life is to short to kick yourself over it. Lesson learned. Good luck.
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  14. shane13 Husqvarna
    B Class

    Location:
    brisbane
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    husqvarna wr300 13
    will having a rekluse auto clutch help to prevent the throttle lift problems as it free rolls a bit when i roll off
  15. ks9mm Husqvarna
    AA Class

    Location:
    NJ
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    2015 TE 125
    Other Motorcycles:
    2014 Beta 300RR

    apparently not. my bike has rekluse.
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  16. Kyle Tarry Husqvarna
    Pro Class

    Location:
    Portland, OR
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    2012 WR 300, 2006 TE 610
    Other Motorcycles:
    Ducati Monster S2R 800
    Rekluse should not freewheel at all above the lockup speed.
  17. ks9mm Husqvarna
    AA Class

    Location:
    NJ
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    2015 TE 125
    Other Motorcycles:
    2014 Beta 300RR
    my understanding is that it only engages when power is applied, when power is not feeding the clutch, it's freewheeling.

    there is small amount of clutch drag, but thats about it.

    I do not think my engine locked up though when it seized.
  18. Xcuvator Husqvarna
    Pro Class

    Location:
    Scholls Oregon
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    TE450,610 WB165,WR250 WR360 & XC430
    Other Motorcycles:
    yes
    Like Kyle says it should lock up on decel.
  19. Kyle Tarry Husqvarna
    Pro Class

    Location:
    Portland, OR
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    2012 WR 300, 2006 TE 610
    Other Motorcycles:
    Ducati Monster S2R 800
    The Rekluse is a centrifugal clutch, meaning it engages based on engine speed. It shouldn't care if power is applied or not, just speed.
  20. ks9mm Husqvarna
    AA Class

    Location:
    NJ
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    2015 TE 125
    Other Motorcycles:
    2014 Beta 300RR
    donno.. maybe it's just 2 stroke effect.

    all i know is that when engine quit, i pulled the clutch in and coasted to stop. but my rear wheel did not try to lock up.