V16 MOSS TOOL Update session screen shots

Discussion in 'TR650' started by kiwiape, Jun 14, 2014.

  1. bikehunter Husqvarna
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    Strada 650
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    Harley, bmw, moto guzzi
    Flippin Moss tool, never fails to depress me. i have the eruption fitted and never want to go back to the husky shop.
    waiting for the new hex code tool, thats what i'll be using.
  2. megatiker75 Husqvarna
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    TR 650 Terra
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    [IMG]I see that the numbers correspond to those photographed at my update here in Italy. However, in another post I said that the problem of persistent deadlock even after updating with moss is due to some defective units which do not take the parameters set during the upgrade. I'm waiting for warranty replacement of the unit. But as long as I do not change I can not say anything. Unfortunately I do not think that much will never replace, the dealer is putting off forever with various excuses. As soon as I know something for sure I'll tell you.
    as you can see from my picture, I already had the latest version of moss. .. But the deadlock was always Feature This so they tried to do it again, but unfortunately the situation has not changed
  3. kiwiape Husqvarna
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    megatiker75. Can you explain what you mean by "deadlock" and which are the "defective units" you talk about please?
  4. wferrari Husqvarna
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    He is referring to a problem of some ECUs not retaining the Moss updates.

    Original link
  5. megatiker75 Husqvarna
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    To stall mean that everyone is talking about. Of sudden engine shutdowns that occur at low speeds ... especially the standing start or after a delay and re-opening gas in a tight turn or an intersection. I fell because of one of these shutdowns of the bike. Unfortunately, however such sian defective units do not know and I do not think you will ever know. For now, husqvarna has OFFICIALLY stated this defect, they themselves do not seem to know what units are defective. FOr now it seems to be limited to those who replace them after several attempts to update the control unit continues to have problems. But as I said, until I get the new unit can not believe it.
  6. nev.. Terrarist

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    English is not megatiker's first language and he is just using google translate to convert his posts to English from Italian. It makes more sense if you substitute Stall for Deadlock.
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  7. Chuffa Husqvarna
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    Kiwiape... From megatiker75's other thread... The defective units referred to are the ecu's.

  8. Nordland Husqvarna
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    I am sorry, but no one likes to tell me further details about the update version and release date. It seems that it shall be probably a big big mystery :confused:

    The only answer i got was, that in case of problems (e.g. stalling) the tps sensor and idle speed sensor shall be calibrated.
  9. mag00 Husqvarna
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    I went to translate and typed in a few things. punto morto. that is deadlock. morto is like mortician and punto
    Sounds about right, so next time you go to get it calibrated, before you go, adjust the idle set screw. Eventually someone will do this with good results and get back with what they did.
  10. megatiker75 Husqvarna
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    Sorry for my terrible english :notworthy:
  11. drzcharlie Husqvarna
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    Burgman 650 (The Barcolounger)
    I guarantee your terrible english is better than my terrible Italian.... (I garantire la tua terribile inglese รจ migliore del mio pessimo italiano...).
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  12. mag00 Husqvarna
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    I guarantee that Megas English is better than many of the peoples here in Tucson, who live here.
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  13. kiwiape Husqvarna
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    megatiker. No problem, your doing good job and thanks for all your help.

    Can you show us where Husqvarna has OFFICIALLY stated this is a problem please?
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  14. kiwiape Husqvarna
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    Further to my first post. With 200k's odd ridden now I can say I have lost ground with my bike having never run so bad:

    Cold start - requires cranking - never did that before!!
    Cold warm up - now splutters - never did that before!!
    When warm - still splutters (no as much as when cold) but will stall as well!!
    So I have gained a "splutter/bogg/flatspot" and not got ride of the stall...aaarrrrrhhh!!!

    So now not happy at all, I hate losing ground when my back is against the wall!

    Attached is the version I used note some of the numbers on the discs relate to some of the screen shots (ISTA 3.42).

    There is a new version of the MOSS Tool out, its V17, I do not beleive it is of any use to us with no update available for our bike. If this changes I will post.

    In summary, I cannot advise updating to V16, if your bike is running 95% good or better which is where I considered mine was until I update to V16.
  15. Lekolite Husqvarna
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    It would seem that the best long term answer for the tune issues is a PCV and Auto Tune. Having read all that I can find,
    the folks that have this installed have no problems. Don't like the cost but really, what is my time worth? I don't have any confidence that this will be adequately addressed any other way. I currently have the Eruption spoof and like it but I think the PCV-AT will be miles better.
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  16. megatiker75 Husqvarna
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    KIWIAPE
    The problem is just that. For there is nothing official on paper. What has happened is that a seller has only talked to a person at the factory husqvarna that would tell him of this problem to the control units. In fact, I'm waiting for the replacement to tell if this is real or just chatter.
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  17. PaulC F class

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    TR Terra
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    2 2018 YZ 450F, 2019 CRF1000AT
    Hey Kiwiape, Sorry to hear about the dramas, Q's, did your dealer pull the lambda sensor (O2) out and test it on the bench? With a multi meter and blow torch.

    I believe its a narrow band type with preheat, a 4 wire unit. On the bench it should come up to 0.45 volts to 0.5 volts DC to get the 14.7 to 1 air fuel ratio. To much voltage is rich and to little is lean. Your screen shot shows a short...no voltage!

    There are many Utube vids on this sensor, but I would have my dealer deal with it. Also the link to picoauto makes for some interesting reading, for example: the use of silicones may foul the sensor also.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QM2jO0_Cah0

    http://www.picoauto.com/applications/lambda-sensor.html , Curtsey of Mag00 several months ago.

    Hi Megatiker, By Control units do you mean ECU, fault? IMHO the stalling issue seems to be a combination of mixture and an electrical fault. Or can one spark plug foul the other? Maybe that's my next move.
    My BP is now out of the mix, it was great for 7000klms
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  18. drzcharlie Husqvarna
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    TR650 Terra
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    Burgman 650 (The Barcolounger)
    It seems that armed with the knowledge that the discs exist and they are executable on proprietary sofware that someone (experienced in coding and decoding) could figure out what makes our ECU's tick or at least make some inroads toward that endeavor. I am a techno dummy but I am really good at detailed stuff. I would be more than willing to help even if it is keeping detailed logs of what is found. Surely we have a BMW tech aboard somewhere that can give us some insight?

    Sorry, Just venting a little and wishing a lot.
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  19. mag00 Husqvarna
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    Hey Paul, another trick hot rodders use is indexing the plugs. Have you tried that?
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  20. mag00 Husqvarna
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    XR250 R1100RS CH50
    Hey Kiwi, I have a couple questions.

    Are you running the spoofer at all?
    Did you adjust the throttle butterfly?
    When in the moss, have you found where to add or delete a key?


    Thanks