I knew they would have to throw the heavy frame in the dumpster....between there failed cassette style air filter and million part subframe the 12 was a disaster...with refinements improving it from that point on. (I did enjoy the ergos). If the 105 kg weight is true with estart they are in between the te and rr which is awesome!! I've had many many gassers the first a 97 with horn ,counterbalancer and blinkers...they are dependable bikes and its to bad the 17s are heavy as while I was at Hall's a few weeks ago I will say the 17s look super nice! Great to see Gas Gas on track!!