1. Husqvarna Motorcycles Made In Sweden - About 1988 and older

What's the point of placing the kicker on the left side?

Discussion in 'Vintage/Left Kickers' started by Mike758, Nov 19, 2013.

  1. Old Geezer Husqvarna
    A Class

    Location:
    Washington state, central desert country
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    1983 XC500, 1985 CR500
    Other Motorcycles:
    1973 Yamaha 360 MX, Harley FatBoy
    Been a long time since I've piloted a right shifter. They would screw with your mind where you would do funny things like only stomping down a gear when all you were trying to do was hit the rear brake.
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  2. hawaiidirtrider Husqvarna
    AA Class

    Location:
    Oahu , Hawaii
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    1982 430 cr
    Other Motorcycles:
    01' cr 250 honda, 01 300ec, Beta 525

    I'd blow thru turns trying to stop my bike pressing on the shift lever to stop !scare the caca out of you!!! That's what happens when riding a couple bikes with opposite shifting..braking.. I forget was it husky or bultaco or both that you could make the shifter if set up on the opposite side if you wanted?

    My bad experience there has had me change my brake position for my mountain bike so the front brake is on the right side like my dirt bikes.. It eliminates quick thinking mistakes that could have me crash.
  3. 2premo Husqvarna
    Pro Class

    Location:
    Northern NV
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    98 WR360, 1987 WR430, 1988 XC430
    Other Motorcycles:
    Sherco 300, 2002 KTM 380EXC
    Husky made a switcheroo kit for sure
    understand the mountain bike dilemma too, been there done that
  4. troy deck Husqvarna
    Pro Class

    Location:
    Republic MO
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    87 250wr 12 cr125
    Other Motorcycles:
    kx65 ty80 rm80 kdx250
    YEP U CAN DO THAT ON A BULTACO AND YES I HAVE TO FLIP THE CABLES ON ALL THE KIDS BIKES
  5. troy deck Husqvarna
    Pro Class

    Location:
    Republic MO
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    87 250wr 12 cr125
    Other Motorcycles:
    kx65 ty80 rm80 kdx250
    YEP U CAN DO THAT ON A BULTACO AND YES I HAVE TO FLIP THE CABLES ON ALL THE KIDS BIKES
  6. Mike758 Husqvarna
    B Class

    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    '87 430
    The good thing about having the 87 430ae is that I have no clutch so I can't really get confused about the front brake being on the right, as it's the only lever on the bike
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  7. Jon McLean Husqvarna
    AA Class

    Location:
    Lake Grove, OR
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    '83 CR500, '81 WR250
    Other Motorcycles:
    KTM 450EXC, 200EXC-LE, LC4 600
    Here's my shot at speculation...early competition and thru the '60s, flat-track ovals were the testing grounds and predominate racing, always turning left going counter-clockwise. Shifter needed to be on right. Vintage flat trackers (Bultacos, etc) were set up for right shift, left brake. Even the early Penton/KTM 250s came with the shift shaft extending all the way through the cases on both sides so you could install shifter on the right for flat tracking set up.

    Motor design was flywheel/ignition on one crank side, pinion gear/clutch hub on the other crank side. Kickstarter design was always off the clutch hub in some fashion. Opposite the clutch was the transmission output i.e. sprocket, and shifter mechanism/shift pedal. So...shift pedal right meant clutch left, meant kicker left. Virtually all 60s-70s Euro dirt bikes are pinion/clutch left, ignition/flywheel right. Worked out too as right-footers could pretty easily kick standing off the bike on the left side. Seems it was easier to run a shaft through to move shifter to the left as most Euro bikes did in the 60s rather than reverse all like the Japanese design did when the late-60s and 70s flood started.
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  8. 1982 XC 430 Husqvarna
    AA Class

    Location:
    Seattle Wa
    This is making some sense to me. Back in the Day I was always told that the Engine and or Bike could be made lighter if the Kick was on the Left. Since back then I only had one bike at a time I really didn't have much to compare to. Now that I have rebuilt some of my favorite Vintage bikes I have wondered the same thing, why not just reverse every thing like my modern KTM's. But there must be a reason. Why would a big company like Honda make some left kickers in the early 80's when the rest of there line was on the right side, only to switch back to the right the next generation.
  9. stormer254 Husqvarna
    AA Class

    Location:
    England
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    More than I dare let her know
    Other Motorcycles:
    Yes!
    Because they were not as good as Huskies, they tried to copy them:D
  10. moretoys Husqvarna
    AA Class

    Location:
    NorthEast USA
    I've never understood the right/left kickstarter issue. Some are left and some are right. I don't have a preference. It's whatever the bike came with and that's what it is.
  11. grouty Auto Lover ...

    Location:
    South West UK
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    78 390WR, 78 390 AMX, 500 Humph
    Other Motorcycles:
    works 73 CCM 520, another 73 CCM520
    I have always preferred left kickers. No idea why, but I just find the whole "starting" thing more pleasant.
    As for left and right shifters....... no problem there either. My only real problem was riding the 55 Matchless to work and back in the week and then jumping on the BSA or CCM at the weekend. My head could not get around the Matchless box as first gear one up, and then the others as one down.
    The answer was to take the car to work that week :D

    The final straw was a very large tree at Widworthy. Couldn't fathom why the CCM would not slow down when I changed down, except that I had just changed up !!! ................ sold the damn Matchless !
  12. organ donor Husqvarna
    Pro Class

    Location:
    Berlin
    It´s because you only approach a horse to mount from the left. You swing your right leg over the saddle. US riders may well do it differently, but this is the way every European cavalry unit did things. Just like coachmen used to sit on the right hand side of the bench, hold the whip with his left hand and control the horses with the reins held in his right hand (most people being right handed). That is why civilised countries still drive on the left and hold the wheel with the right hand. Doing it differently is sacrilege and will be punished in the afterlife.
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  13. Old Geezer Husqvarna
    A Class

    Location:
    Washington state, central desert country
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    1983 XC500, 1985 CR500
    Other Motorcycles:
    1973 Yamaha 360 MX, Harley FatBoy
    But of course, it's a European thing! Simple explanation, look no further. We 'mericans just must do things differently, which is why we've never attempted- let alone mastered - that silly nonsense of metric. But wait; the Japs aren't American, and they do the kicker on the right. Perhaps they're sacrilegious wanna-be's with the rest of the Western world.

    As to mounting horses, I've done that just a few times in my life. Definitely with left foot in the stirrup on the left side, swing the right up and over that beast. I feel the same every time I mount my sky-high XC and CR....then de-mount to start the thing.
  14. stormer254 Husqvarna
    AA Class

    Location:
    England
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    More than I dare let her know
    Other Motorcycles:
    Yes!
    Don't they drive on the left though like the other civilized nations:D
  15. organ donor Husqvarna
    Pro Class

    Location:
    Berlin
    ALL European countries drove on the left ... until the great dictator Napoleon stopped them. Even Austria only went over to the right hand side shortly before Hitler took over. And Sweden held out till well after WWII. Only Caithness, Orkney and Shetland drive in the middle of the road (as there´s no room top pass on either side anyway).
  16. shawbagga Husqvarna
    Pro Class

    Location:
    Eaton, Western Australia
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    None
    Other Motorcycles:
    2018 Gasgas XC250
    not being a smart arse here but I find imperial & feet/inches very hard to fathom(ha fathom, that aint metric i don't think!). just seems like a lot of work for no reward. e.g drill bits-its a mouthful just saying the sizes sometimes, metric just seems easier & more efficient. having worked in construction for past 5 years or so id find it very frustrating trying to build a house using yards/feet/inches-"cut me a bit of timber at 4 yards(do you Yanks use yards?), 3 feet, 2 & 7/25ths of an inch" as opposed to "cut me a bit of timber at 4657(mm of course)". I didn't work these lengths out just for example. metric seems much more accurate does it not which is what you need for building?! to get a millimetre you need to say 1/25th of an inch which is still just bigger than a millimetre yes? same with gallons & miles. litres & kilometres is just much more 'rounded' & 'even' I reckon. plus whats with your 'tons' in USA-its like 900kg or something as opposed to a metric 'tonne'(1000kg)? I operate mobile cranes & several older cranes(modern cranes are generally rated in metric T) ive seen from the states have been odd sizes as they are rated in metric tonnes here not tons like the USA ie an 81T crane that was a 90 ton crane in the states-confusing I think. im honestly not trolling here or trying to offend & I know you guys in the US are very staunch on your views about this but I really think metric is just plain easier. just MHO. id like to here from chippy's(carpenters/builders) from the states if they honestly believe metric wouldn't be easier? :popcorn:sorry this is slightly off topic
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  17. stormer254 Husqvarna
    AA Class

    Location:
    England
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    More than I dare let her know
    Other Motorcycles:
    Yes!
    A fathom is 1828.8 mm, I reckon it is easier to count to 1 fathom or 6 foot:D
  18. shawbagga Husqvarna
    Pro Class

    Location:
    Eaton, Western Australia
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    None
    Other Motorcycles:
    2018 Gasgas XC250
    touche'
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  19. grouty Auto Lover ...

    Location:
    South West UK
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    78 390WR, 78 390 AMX, 500 Humph
    Other Motorcycles:
    works 73 CCM 520, another 73 CCM520
    Bless you ......:D
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  20. wrx Husqvarna
    Pro Class

    Location:
    845 newyork
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    1973 to 1986 husky's various models
    Other Motorcycles:
    RM -250 / Buell / Penton 400 mc5
    to weed out the panseys!!!