What's your race training program?

Discussion in 'General (Main)' started by Huskynoobee, Dec 15, 2014.

  1. ray_ray Mini-Sponsor

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    With your winning ways, you are perfect AA and just let all this slide ... You've got the lifestyle-thing figured out and setting riding standards most of us with will never ride to...

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    This work outlined below just keeps honing on down into the muscles working aspects to get better and better output from the body.. And yep, somewhere out there nutrient comes into play with all this work you might be doing to achieve your higher&higher results... I'll go with AA again and one way to look at diet and nutrient is to eat good and not eat too wrong ... Your nutrient levels may not be so high that some balanced diet might be enough IF you don't eat too too much that is wrong. But work your body hard\harder and you'll need more fuel. Lifestyle is the word, live and eat ~somewhat healthy as many days as possible.
  2. Zomby woof Husqvarna
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    Nutrition is critical. There's a saying amongst people who train seriously. You can't out train poor nutrition.
    It's true.
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  3. letitsnow Husqvarna
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    The funny thing is - I read this while on a bike (on a trainer), eating a donut...
  4. letitsnow Husqvarna
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    I have won State Championships in 3 different forms of racing.

    My advice on a race training program is to keep it fun. If your training becomes work, and it makes riding a motorcycle not fun, take a good hard look at what your goals are-are you doing it for constructive reasons? It is easy to get carried away.
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  5. RickyDZero Husqvarna
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    I totally disagree that cardio is a waste of time. Nothing burns more calories than cardio,and if you are trying to loose weight it is a must. However I do believe weight training is also important, so I do both. I have lost almost 30 pounds in the last 4 months and still need to lose more. I was so big I could not even buckle my own boots let alone ride fast or for very long. Now, not only can I buckle my boots, but ride much longer and my friends say I am not even the same guy as far as speed is concerned. For me another area of concern was eating better, because without doing this (for me anyway) everything else is a waste of time. Oh-yea almost forgot seat time, seat time, did I mention seat time. My training routine consist of 30 min of cardio every day, where I am now burning 400 calories in that time. When I first started I could only go for 10 min and was only burning 60 to 70 calories. After cardio I weight train. I do what is called a push pull routine. On push day (chest,triceps and shoulders). On pull day(back,traps and biceps) I do these for 40 min after(sometimes before) cardio. At 56 years of age I cannot be this big and do what I have grown to love like I want to, but with exercise and proper diet 240 pounds is just around the corner. I know to some that is still too big, but hey, I was 300 pounds now 270 and in better shape than I have been in years and I have so much more fun riding. I hope this did not sound vain or that I am full of myself because that is truly not my intention. Just saying if your fat and old like me or you do not want to get fat, this is the fountain of youth,diet, exercise and a lot of seat time. Sure hope I have help and encouraged because that is what I was trying to do.
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  6. Tinken Husqvarna
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    And supplements I guess. Ty is a huge health food nut and that stuff is part of his athletic package he does. Garden of life stuff he sells. I think he gave Jake Argubright Bone-Grow for his wrist.
  7. WVdag Husqvarna
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  8. robertaccio Husqvarna
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    50 miles of mixed single track on many of the tecate enduro trails with more moist dirt...... hardcore training, tried to stay in race crouch attack position as much as possible full lower back and leg burn!!! TE300 is stupid good training device.
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  9. RickyDZero Husqvarna
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    Zomby woof we may not agree on the cardio issue, but I whole heartily agree with your post on training and nutrition. Thanks for reminding me of this very important fact. With the up coming holidays I need to remember this.
  10. Zomby woof Husqvarna
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    Congrats on your weight loss. It's a difficult task that requires hard work and dedication. I'm also mid 50's, and was overweight as well. I got rid of the excess weight and fat and go to the gym on every day that I can. I'm now in better shape than I thought I would ever be, and find it addicting. The more I work at it, the more results I see and the more I want to work at it :thumbsup:

    Here are a few articles that you might find interesting. The first (I have been told) is a bit of a dry read, but the info is well worth it, and explains what your best strategies are for fat loss. You may not agree, but the studies tell an interesting story.

    http://www.t-nation.com/readArticle.do?id=1526539

    http://www.t-nation.com/training/cardio-kills

    I do zero cardio in my routine and probably never will. I run predominantly long races, and routinely run one hour motos, and two hour long hare scrambles as practice in the riding season.
  11. Steve Kanya Husqvarna
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    762000425_XvjXh-XL-1.jpg I chase these guys on the ice all winter at some big speeds.
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  12. Bigbill Husqvarna
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    The bike is the best workout machine we could ever use. Standing up and sitting down in between were using body English and working every muscle group in our body.
    Even doing a short ride often in the off season keeps your body limbered up. A snow/ice ride with ice screws makes me feel alive. It gets my heart pumping and the blood flowing. There is no workout on the planet that can match the intense workout we get from a dirt bike.

    Don't hate winter adjust to it. Put in those ice screws and richin the carb. Don't hate it get out there and just do it.......

    I didn't race, but it doesn't mean I don't have the heart of one. I rode years ago with my son pushing man and machine to its limits. We rode in western mass. from Sun up to Sun down. We only stopped to fuel up with chocolate and p&j sandwiches, water and two stroke mix. You don't have to race to be serious about riding. We were in mass every weekend. During the week we were riding locally. You can see the others riders who come with you who they thought they were good get worn out very quickly. No one believed how good a dirt bike can be when used as an exercise machine. Just go out and hammer it. You guys know that.

    Don't dream it, get out and live it. Stay focused and motivated.

    Sorry I'm just an old guy here.
  13. ray_ray Mini-Sponsor

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    The stationary bike is about the best device I had at home also for indoors for specific cardio work ... I say specific because after your foot touches the floor each time you climb out of bed, you will be elevating your heart rate to some level, due to your activities, and that is heart\cardio work, whether it is specific or not.

    A rowing machine might be better with all the upper body stuff it includes ... Jack LaLanne said once that the only way to hurt the human body was to not use it ... I had forgotten about that push-pull routine for an easy-to-remember way for remembering what the next work out will be about.

    Sounds like you got your numbers figured out RDZ

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    About the only thing I'm doing now is bike riding ... And I can ride long and not too hard and it will keep you toned-up for sure ... But I think I have lost most of any strength\juice I might have had in the past when I did some muscle workouts ... After yesterdays ride, I need to get some strength back it seems ... I'm getting a little curious now on my heart rate out there when riding around ...
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  15. robertaccio Husqvarna
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    today mine was getting up eating a steak,eggand cheese burrito, fishing, and eating twix bar. May have a soda later.
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  16. ajaxauto Husqvarna
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    Rob you left out the Rockstar We need to support the team Stay thirsty my friend
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  17. Kyle Tarry Husqvarna
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    :lol:


    Aldon Baker, respected as one of the best trainers in the business, has Villopoto and Cianciarulo (and his other athletes) on the road bike for training. I have seen at least one video with Tim Weigand where he states that he is a big supporter of cardio (biking and running). Kailub Russell does a lot of biking and works out at the gym. I think Russell Bobbitt bikes too. I'd put a lot of stock in what works for all of those guys. Even the guys that don't do strict pure cardio are doing high-intensity circuit training, like the stuff in the video with Eli Tomac above, which has a huge cardio component.


    On a non-moto note, cardio is probably the single biggest thing missing from the routine/habits of the citizens of the first world. Obesity, blood pressure, heart disease, and all of those things are better fought with cardio than lifting weights. A balanced routine of both, of course, is ideal.

    Finally, if you think cardio is easy, that means you're doing it wrong. To be a champion, you must train like a champion.
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  18. Zomby woof Husqvarna
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    Although you're correct that a balanced routine is the best approach (read my second post) , pure cardio should be your last priority for everything else you mentioned. HIT is good, but also probably second to weight training, and of course you should know that there is a cardio component to all of it.
    Although your mind is already made up, you should take the time to read the fist link in my last post.

    I will not entertain any further discussion with you if you attempt to belittle me or my posts as you have in the past.
  19. racemx904 Husqvarna
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    Every expert has a different opinion...Mr Woof

    Do what works for you.... personally weight training is pretty low on my list and cardio works best for me... I dont need muscle mass I want to be able to keep my heart rate in the correct area... thats me personally...
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  20. Kyle Tarry Husqvarna
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    But, you said cardio is "a waste of time." Why does Villopoto, Cianciarulo, Weigand, and many others do it, if it's a waste of time? Why are the Rynopower workouts structured to have a large cardio component, if cardio is a waste of time? :confused: I guess those guys don't know how to train?

    What am I supposed to get out of those links?

    The first one is about maximizing fat loss, which isn't our goal here, and it's from a website/trainer who is obviously on the strength/form/competition side of things. This doesn't make him "wrong," but what works for someone trying to get a deadlift PR or trying to lean out for a competition isn't necessarily the right thing for moto racers (or anyone else). Aside from people whose fitness activity is directly tied to leanness (body competition, etc), endurance athletes have the least body fat of nearly every type of sport, so it's pretty hard to argue that cardio isn't good at burning fat. Those tour de france guys are pretty lean, and they do mostly cardio. How, exactly, do we explain that away, when cardio is supposedly a "waste of time"?

    The second link is pretty clear in its biased perspective as soon as you get to the title. "Cardio Kills". Some real objective journalism there! Of course high level training for running can be bad for your body. High level training in anything can be bad for your body. You think olympic lifting or mr olympia competitions don't have possible bad side effects?

    Additionally, the studies cited are specifically for long-term marathoners and other extremely long endurance sport participants. Projecting these results into "cardio is bad" is like taking a study that shows that arsenic is bad for you and claiming that metals are unhealthy, because arsenic is a metal. Taking a small extreme group and trying to project it onto a much larger more general group is not good science.

    Within the article, he picks and chooses the findings that best fit the narrative he is trying to write. He glosses right over this one:

    "Not surprisingly, the marathoners in the study from Missouri State had lower resting heart rates, BMI (Body Mass Index), and triglyceride levels than the sedentary group."

    Most people would say these are good things, but they don't fit his message so he doesn't bother to comment on them, and focuses only on the negative side effects the study found. Amazing really, that it has both positive and negative aspects, like basically everything in life. :rolleyes:

    Then he goes on and posts THREE people who died or had heart attacks at an early age, and presents them as examples of the dangers of cardio. That's called anecdotal evidence, which isn't scientifically valid. For one thing, you can easily find people in ANY field who had health problems regardless of their level of fitness. For another, he doesn't bother to control at least 2 of the 3 for any external factors that might be unrelated to running. For another perspective:

    http://www.runnersworld.com/runners-stories/why-did-alberto-salazar-have-heart-attack

    Alberto Salazar's heart attack may not be related to his running at all, as he had many other risk factors. His cardiologist says it may have happened at an earlier age or been fatal had he not been in excellent cardiovascular shape. We'll never really know, but presenting it as evidence of the danger of running is misleading at best.

    Then the author really nails it down with this quote:

    "And lastly, if you love running... I suggest finding a new hobby. I love eating chocolate and drinking wine, but that doesn't mean I'm consuming them 5 times a week for 3 hours at a time. In all seriousness, anything you love about running (endorphins, alone time, camaraderie, competition) can be experienced elsewhere, while potentially increasing your lifespan instead of knowingly shortening it."

    This is like getting your news from Fox News or MSNBC.

    If you want to get information from more than on source and form an educated opinion, try this: http://www.outsideonline.com/fitnes...ning-Isnt-Going-to-Shorten-Your-Lifespan.html

    There are also plenty of other studies, if you want to look at the breadth of the knowledge of the scientific community, and not just the studies that reinforce your point of view. For example: http://www.escardio.org/about/press...egular-jogging-increases-life-expectancy.aspx

    Furthermore, you can google for something like "health benefits of cardio" or "health benefits of running" and get plenty of peer-reviewed studies showing the benefits of these types of exercise.

    http://circ.ahajournals.org/content/107/1/e2.full

    Try searching here: http://scholar.google.com/

    Finally, as somebody who body lifts weights and "cardios," you claim of "cardio is easy" is laughable. Go knock out a fast 10k, half marathon, marathon, mile swim, or a century on a road bike before you are so eager to label other people's exercise as easy. Cardio can be easy, if it consists of sitting on a bike or elliptical for 15 minutes at low resistance, just like weight lifting can be easy if you do it with poor form, incomplete movement, and/or light weight. Done properly, both are similarly difficult, yet in different ways.

    I want to point out that I managed to make an entire post in support of one type of exercise without needing to slam another type. It seems like people, such as the trainer you linked to, can't promote their own school of thought without slamming another. It's no better than the guys who promote their brand of motorcycle while running their mouth about how the other brands suck. Prove your point with information, not insults. You can benefit from cardio AND lifting.

    (This type of BS is why I don't post here much anymore)
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