TE/TC 4CS Issues

[HuskyMax]

Any tight woods riders happy with these forks, specifically on the 4 strokes, or are they set up poorly for that as well?

Not at all happy. Every person I have talked to about suspension work ( Ty Davis, Kreft, Stillwell) and other numerous reliable sources that I read or didn't speak too personally, all said the same thing. They don't flow!!!

 

[reveille]

I put in a good ride yesterday on my New FE501 played with the clickers a bit. (a lot) on the compression side. Still just less than 30 miles so far. The 4CS forks as has been said before do in fact blow through the first 2/3rds of the travel or mid range since they are compressed already to the proper rider sag when aboard the bike. So I should say Mid range.. No bottoming out to speak of but the mid stroke blows right through and then gets harsh. Compression adjustments seem to do nothing to help this or make it Better. WTF? I got close to 14 thou. in this thing with add ons. 6th gear is nice on open fast 2 tracks but I shouldn't have to back off knowing what is going to happen in an "Oh Shit" moment. When you hit an old dryed up tire track mud hole left behind by a Border Patrol truck during the last rains. If the forks are right you just pin it. I had to back off a few times and this was in excess of only 60 to 70 miles per hour.

By the way this bike is plenty fast and fun when you do pin it.

I have a set of .48KG springs as was recommended in the forks. May have to go to a .50KG set. They don't really bottom out with these springs and I weigh about 235lbs without my gear. I have a 6.4 rear spring and consider myself an intermediate rider. Rider sag is right at 106 mm or about 4.25" and the static sag is about 34 to 35mm or with my tape and the wheel hanging for a topped out measurement. Its sitting static at 1.375"inch compressed, sitting straight up on the ground, full of gas. I think the shock works great so far, I went in a few clicks on the high speed compression. Rebound seems good. at one click out. The bike can be weighted at the lead side of a jump and bunny hopped up and over small obstacles easily with the rebound set correctly. The 4CS compression adjustment is about useless in my opinion.

The forks need to be done. They suck so far. And I don't consider myself a very good rider and didn't think I would notice or even recognize these common complaints everyone has posted about the stock 4CS forks. Those who don't notice this on these forks or don't have them redone must be a slower rider than I have ever been.View attachment 54331View attachment 54332

My buddies 7 year old takes terrible pictures but this first one wasn't really too bad as I was going about 45 mph and just starting to get a bit sideways into a drift with my feet up on the pegs.

Shock will get done too just to freshen the factory oil, maybe a slight re-valve if recommended and install my X-Trig preload adjuster.

A BRP submount with a Scotts stabilizer is going on right away also. Needed in the deep sand washes around here. Got a new GT 216AA tire from ZT and new Tubliss set ups for the front and rear to go in and give a try, but will wait and hold off until the rear tire is about half shredded. It goes away fast on this bike from the looks of it already at under 30 miles. As for the damper, I could just swap the one over from the KTM forks off my G450X but its a GPR and It will be staying on there. I'd just have to buy the frame post mount. I'm guessing I'm too spoiled and just gotten used to having that option to just turn the knob on the damper/stabilizer when in the sand from my other bikes.

If you don't mind me asking, how much do you weigh, prior to riding gear? (I Know, BigTimmy...LOL) I'm 225 lbs before gear. .48 fork springs and 6.2 shock.

Don't hesitate on the forks. Get the 4CS asymmetrical setup ASAP. You'll want to give me a hug if we ever meet. (A man hug with fists) LOL

 

[bikesparky]

Not at all happy. Every person I have talked to about suspension work ( Ty Davis, Kreft, Stillwell) and other numerous reliable sources that I read or didn't speak too personally, all said the same thing. They don't flow!!!

Came to the same conclusion... sadly. I'm not that good off road as I come from road bike back ground, try to learn and pick up from others. I always had issues with the FE501 while turning in and I thought it was me. After heaps of advise on setup and where to sit I came to the conclusion that I was not that bad at all and most of the clickers and sag was pretty much in the ball park. I rode a bike with the forks fixed yesterday from a chap who is about similar statue, and what a revelation! Suddenly I have confidence and can ride. Pretty pissed off that I have to spend another grand on top of an expensive bike to be able to enjoy it fully!
Love the rest of the bike but the forks are crap! All for a $1000 refund on the forks.

 

[reveille]

Not at all happy. Every person I have talked to about suspension work ( Ty Davis, Kreft, Stillwell) and other numerous reliable sources that I read or didn't speak too personally, all said the same thing. They don't flow!!!

Oil starved is it summed up. And they hydro-lock at times. The anti bottom valve helps to slow the last part of the travel but it also limits the speed of rebound in a negative way. They are a mess in stock form. Great concept, but poor R&D and inferior components. Once they are sorted...Yeeehaaaw! I took my kids out this afternoon after church and we rode around some trails for a few hours. I'm quite in love with these forks know.

 

[reveille]

MX-TECH did mine. They are local to me but Jeremy, the owner, is the one who designed the fix for this fork. Others buy his parts and install the 4CS asymmetrical system. I'm lucky to have him as an resource.

 

[diggs345]

I did a 3 hour race yesterday , I can't tell you how much i want my parts from kreft to turn up , there were many gritted teeth moments I can tell you .
I backed off the compression to a point where it was reasonably comfortable on my wrists through the small stuff , only to bottom on the bigger stuff .

 

[mrkartoom]

Despite all the negatives about these forks I went with the 2015 TE300 over the Sherco SER. Very very tough decision as the Sherco is one beautiful bike with nothing but good things said about it. It's finished nicely and quality looks very high. In the end though the local dealership and incentives was just too much to pass up with the Husky. I know that folks are sending these forks out to Kreft, Stillwell, MXTech, ZipTy and other places with great success or varying degrees of it. I've also seen a few folks that have used PG Suspension, which we know are specialized with WP. My question for the group here is who has used PG, where do you ride and how happy are you with the results? (actually that's 3 questions )

I've talked to PG and they seem to be pretty confident they have it sorted out. Knowing they work directly with WP gives them some added credibility in my mind. Assuming I'm going to have similar issues with the action on theses forks I'd consider them pending hearing other's results.

 

[Motosportz]

Glad I'm finding out about the 4CS issues while trying to decide between a new TE300 or a Sherco 300 SER. If I go with the local dealer and choose Husky it sounds like I need to budget in a fork fix. Sherco is sounding better all the time, but no dealers in the Northeast yet.

I have had several people tell me their stock Sherco forks are some of the best they have ever used off road. Seems they got it right.

 

[LandofMotards]

Im sure PG is good but I'm sure they bought their way into being a WP authorized suspension company. All the other companies you mentioned earned their reputation. Can't really say one is better then the other nut I wouldn't assume a WP suspension company is better.

 

[rancher1]

Im sure PG is good but I'm sure they bought their way into being a WP authorized suspension company. All the other companies you mentioned earned their reputation. Can't really say one is better then the other nut I wouldn't assume a WP suspension company is better.

You are correct, after all WP unloaded this crap on the public.

 

[Chums]

Despite all the negatives about these forks I went with the 2015 TE300 over the Sherco SER. Very very tough decision as the Sherco is one beautiful bike with nothing but good things said about it. It's finished nicely and quality looks very high. In the end though the local dealership and incentives was just too much to pass up with the Husky. I know that folks are sending these forks out to Kreft, Stillwell, MXTech, ZipTy and other places with great success or varying degrees of it. I've also seen a few folks that have used PG Suspension, which we know are specialized with WP. My question for the group here is who has used PG, where do you ride and how happy are you with the results? (actually that's 3 questions )

I've talked to PG and they seem to be pretty confident they have it sorted out. Knowing they work directly with WP gives them some added credibility in my mind. Assuming I'm going to have similar issues with the action on theses forks I'd consider them pending hearing other's results.

Kreft has a couple posts showing the revised 2016' KTM 4cs which PG had a hand in. They have basically taken out parts and given up on getting it to work. I wasn't inspired after talking to PG.

 

[mrkartoom]

Im sure PG is good but I'm sure they bought their way into being a WP authorized suspension company. All the other companies you mentioned earned their reputation. Can't really say one is better then the other nut I wouldn't assume a WP suspension company is better.

There's definitely something to be said for that. I thought choosing the bike would be the hardest decision, but where to get the suspenders fixed may be equally tough.

 

[john01]

Sad but true.

 

[LandofMotards]

There's definitely something to be said for that. I thought choosing the bike would be the hardest decision, but where to get the suspenders fixed may be equally tough.

Why don't you try riding it first, you may luck out and be one of the guys that loves it stock

I'd vote Stillwell because we haven't had a test on here yet lol. I thought for sure BigTimmy would use them being in AZ and all but seems he's going with Kreft.

 

[mrkartoom]

I'll definitely put time on the bike and let things break in a bit before making any suspension changes. Yeah maybe I'll be the other guy that likes them out of the box. He needs some company lol.

Stillwell's front page on their website claims they are the 4CS experts, but so do others. Their riders sure are doing well in GNCC with their 4CS setup, but they could likely win on crappy suspension they are so fast. I'm heading out to Phoenix in a few weeks to visit my daughter. If I went with Stillwell I could swing up to Scottsdale and drop them in person!

 

[reveille]

Hour meter? The one on the bike works really good on my 2014. Did they remove it from the 2015 models? Doubtful on the frame guards. Seems we're limited due to the composite subframes.

 

[reveille]

Cool, yeah your OEM one will not reset so I get it. You can set the wrench to light up at set hour intervals if you really want to. I just write everything down when I do it and ride. I'm at 70 hours and 2000 miles now. Still feels like new. Enjoy the bike

 

[reveille]

Awesome!

 

[reveille]

Bummer on the xframe guards. They looked promising, I guess we wait.

 

[flyingbob]

I just spoke to "Slavens Racing" and had an email when I got home regarding a refund for the above X-Grip Frame Guards for the Husky's to fit the composite subframes.

Unfortunately they are not going to appear anytime soon that will actually cover the composite subframe back far enough to do any good.
and the ones now offered, if you can find them. Are really for a KTM fitment and the subframe holes are in a different position so in order to use them they must be cut and trimmed off as they don't do any protection to the composite section at all.

I asked, hadn't they ever developed ones for the Husabergs back a few years when the composite subframe first went into production on the Bergs. His answer is that Acerbis are apparently working on suitable New style Xframe guards for our specific application in black and white but it may be awhile before they are out on the market and no word yet. He has sold these above before to people for the Huskys but they had to cut them up and they are really white frame guards for KTM big bikes and the left white section in the picture on the right side guard is actually a cover for the master cylinder.

Bummer all around, as these Acerbis ones are cool. The part I'm the most concerned with is the dull scuffing of the composite section of the Subframe really, more than having a gripper tape on the white tube part of the frame section. For that I had a sheet of 3M sticky backed phony carbon fiber sheeting. Which sticks like baby shit dried to a diaper, and can cut about 20 more when these wear out. If they do?

So I guess I have to cut out the Nihilo sticky back guards that were sent rolled and crunched up in a box (mine are the blue ones). When I got them, I flattened them out and they have been laying under a ream of copy paper trying to get it flattened out for about a week. They are pretty cheesey but the tube part of the frame section itself I don't really care to have a piece of sand paper or stair tread non slip tape on it for protection. (I can't tuck my legs in that far anyway) which is all these Nihilo ones really are. Printed blue to shape on non slip stair tread material tape.

For 20.00 a set, you would think they would have a clicker and you wouldn't have to cut them out yourself off the sheet they are printed on with a pair of shears or scissors.

I'll Melt them off with a heat gun later when something like the above Acerbis ones finally come out.

This 'almost' has something to do with 4CS issues... (got that from RayRay!)