• Hi everyone,

    As you all know, Coffee (Dean) passed away a couple of years ago. I am Dean's ex-wife's husband and happen to have spent my career in tech. Over the years, I occasionally helped Dean with various tech issues.

    When he passed, I worked with his kids to gather the necessary credentials to keep this site running. Since then (and for however long they worked with Coffee), Woodschick and Dirtdame have been maintaining the site and covering the costs. Without their hard work and financial support, CafeHusky would have been lost.

    Over the past couple of weeks, I’ve been working to migrate the site to a free cloud compute instance so that Woodschick and Dirtdame no longer have to fund it. At the same time, I’ve updated the site to a current version of XenForo (the discussion software it runs on). The previous version was outdated and no longer supported.

    Unfortunately, the new software version doesn’t support importing the old site’s styles, so for now, you’ll see the XenForo default style. This may change over time.

    Coffee didn’t document the work he did on the site, so I’ve been digging through the old setup to understand how everything was running. There may still be things I’ve missed. One known issue is that email functionality is not yet working on the new site, but I hope to resolve this over time.

    Thanks for your patience and support!

ALL TR650's NEED THIS - Introducing the ERUPTION!!!

Guys - I would be willing to build anyone an "ERUPTION!!!" free of charge. Just send me:

- the correct 8 thermisters (Digi-Key is a great place to get them)
- an IAT
- and a box or padded envelope with return postage (ask them at UPS, Fed Ex or USPS how to do this)

I will supply the shrink tubing.

I am a veteran electronics tech with over 30 years of soldering experience in the aerospace and HVAC industries. I can build these in my sleep.

I should be able to turn one around in 3 days max. The actual build time should be around 30 minutes.

I just bought a Strada and it has the dreaded stalling problem pretty bad. I am willing to do this as a service to the Terra/Strada community.

Feel free to e-mail me and I can give you more info and even my phone number if you are not sure.

dankeifer@yahoo.com

Take care - Dan

UPDATE 10-16-13: I installed my eruption last night. Works great so far.
UPDATE 12-2-13: I have been riding in pretty cold weather (mid 30's F) and the bike runs really rich and sputters a bit until really warmed up. The yellow engine light lights up intermittently too. I guess this is the only downside to the IAT mod. I'm looking forward to spring and warmer weather.
UPDATE 5-2-14: Only two people have taken me up on this so far. I think both were successful (I'm sure I would have heard if they were not).
UPDATE 1-26-15: I sold the Strada in the Spring of 2014. I have a 2014 Kawasaki Ninja 1000 now and I am VERY happy with it. I will still make the eruptions even though it is not a long term fix (the stalling returned with my bike).
 
Guys - I would be willing to build anyone an "ERUPTION!!!" free of charge. Just send me:

- the correct 8 thermisters (Digi-Key is a great place to get them)
- an IAT
- and a box or padded envelope with return postage (ask them at UPS, Fed Ex or USPS how to do this)

I will supply the shrink tubing.

I am a veteran electronics tech with over 30 years of soldering experience in the aerospace and HVAC industries. I can build these in my sleep.

I should be able to turn one around in 3 days max. The actual build time should be around 30 minutes.

I just bought a Strada and it has the dreaded stalling problem pretty bad. I am willing to do this as a service to the Terra/Strada community.

Feel free to e-mail me and I can give you more info and even my phone number if you are not sure.

dankeifer@yahoo.com

Take care - Dan


Very generous offer Dan! :applause: If I didn't have one already I'd take you up on it. BTW I'm not opposed to anyone making these & getting compensated for their efforts, so you may want to make this a limited time offer!:thumbsup:
 
Very generous offer Dan! :applause: If I didn't have one already I'd take you up on it. BTW I'm not opposed to anyone making these & getting compensated for their efforts, so you may want to make this a limited time offer!:thumbsup:

Thanks for the advice. I'll just play it by ear for now. If I get swamped with requests, I'll make a decision then.

If I can prevent one person from having a stall in a bad place, it will be worth it.
 
Dan, what are your thoughts on the TR650 'adapting' to the spoofers?


I really don't buy it. I'm no expert at these things, but this is the way I understand the situation.

The bike has a temperature sensor in the airbox which detects the air temp and this is one of the inputs the ECU uses to 'adapt' to the environment.
The ECU is programmed to run the engine somewhere on a scale between lean and rich, depending on the temperature, and a number of other parameters.
Spoofing the ECU into believing the temperature is 20° lower than it really is causes the bike to run a bit richer.
The bike has no way of knowing the temperature is being spoofed, therefore if it 'adapts' to it's environment, it will not be ignoring the spoofer and adapting to the real airbox temperature and leaning up the mixture. It will only adapt to the spoofed temperature, which will richen the mixture.
The only way in which the ECU could detect the spoofed temperature and ignore it, is if there were two temperature sensors, in which case the spoofer would probably make no difference to begin with.
 
The only way in which the ECU could detect the spoofed temperature and ignore it, is if there were two temperature sensors, in which case the spoofer would probably make no difference to begin with.
I don't think that is true.

There are other variables to draw and prioritize from. One example is the feedback loop from the O2 sensor to determine mixture. The ECU could say, "I know the temperature says this, but the O2 level is always different by this amount, let's adjust the temperature response across the board by this amount" or maybe it says, "I was letting that reading influence my choice 90%...I'm only going to let it choose now 50% and give 50% weighting to the other variable because the emissions goal is more closely reached".

I know ECUs have become and continue to become more sophisticated over time with both the amount of processing power increasing as well as cost and size dropping, instrumentation is becoming more precise per cost, programmers more sophisticated (or at least using more lines of code in increasing available space), as well as regulations becoming tighter and more focused.

I think the notion that the computer is compensation for our little cheat is at least plausible.

Now, I don't have a way to prove or disprove it though.
 
Now, I don't have a way to prove or disprove it though.

I can think of a way. If someone had their bike on the MOSS, found it ran too lean, plugged in the spoofer, that improved it, but over time it started to creep back towards lean, then removing the spoofer, putting the bike on the MOSS, reloading the stock mapping, and then reinstalling the spoofer should return the bike to a richer mixture, and demonstrate that the bike was adapting to the spoofer and trying to work around it. I imagine that hooking the ECU to the MOSS and reloading the factory values would reset any self-adjustment that the ECU had made on it's own. Of course the result of this would still be somewhat subjective. I guess the subjectiveness could be removed with a before/after test with an exhaust gas analyser.

I'm dubious that the benefit of the spoofers degrades over time. I think we would have heard about this from the owners of BMW models who have had these installed for a longer time.
Anecodtally, I have run about 6800km on my bike, The first half of that without the Wuka-King, and the second half with it. I have noticed no degradation of the initial improvement I had when I installed it.
 
Nice write up! I don't have a TR, but an older BMW Dakar. Will have to try this mod and see if it wakes the ol' girl up. It uses the same temp sensor as the TR. Thanks run-it!
 
Dan, what are your thoughts on the TR650 'adapting' to the spoofers?
You'll have to let the ecu experts throw that around. It seems from the posts above that this is a good fix and they did their homework. You can always keep your original IAT and modify and install a second one in case the problem returns.
 
Nice write up! I don't have a TR, but an older BMW Dakar. Will have to try this mod and see if it wakes the ol' girl up. It uses the same temp sensor as the TR. Thanks run-it!

Look for reports for those that have used the Booster Plug on your bike - if that worked good than this will likely be as good or better.:thumbsup:
 
Hi ya,
I have had my terra for 8 months now, i been remapped three times to make it usable ..
but still it was lacking . so today i decided to have a crack at this ..
i could not source the thermisters list on here so i got these ones instead
http://www.jaycar.com.au/productView.asp?ID=RN3444

My bike has always been a total b**** to start , i see tomorrow morning if its any better
 
Hi ya,
I have had my terra for 8 months now, i been remapped three times to make it usable ..
but still it was lacking . so today i decided to have a crack at this ..
i could not source the thermisters list on here so i got these ones instead
http://www.jaycar.com.au/productView.asp?ID=RN3444

My bike has always been a total b**** to start , i see tomorrow morning if its any better

Hi revsinc,

The Eruption makes NO claim to help with a difficult starting engine.
I see some potential problems using the thermistors you linked. I'd urge you to stick with the thermistors used in the example - they're sold around the world. Where are you, Australia?

Try this link.
 
Thanks,
yes im in australia i will try and get some this week and change them over,
but i only decided on sunday to do this and jaycar was the only place open
the bike is running good now, much more fun to ride . ( still not perfect )
i have also notice decrease engine braking also and
your right its made no difference to how it starts ,
and my dealer has no more answers for me ..

thanks Kevin
 
TR650's need a Power Commander, a Booster Plug, a Wuka King or similar to correct the all-to-common lean mixture in the open loop portion of the FI map.

Some people don't even know their bike COULD BE RUNNING BETTER.

What if you found a mod that corrects the issue for $20?

What if it worked BETTER than those other plug-n-play devices with the sensing probes?

What if it added NO clutter to your already cluttered bike?

Introducing...






IAT Modification
(intake air thermistor mod, cross-posted from ADV)

Dateline 8-1-13

I received my new thermistors from Avnet yesterday, $20.12 including the $8 for FEDEX. 8 qty part #B57861S 104F 40.

Vendor list here...
http://octopart.com/b57861s104f40-epcos-851024

International vendor here (search for part #706-2765P) ...
http://www.rs-components.com/index.html


These little guys look exactly like the thermistor inside our bike's IAT. It is highly likely they are the SAME mfr & build specification as the OEM, here are the semen swimmers...





I sawed off the cage of my OEM IAT with a dremel, you can see the thermistor supported inside now...



I cut the head off the thermistor - cutting the plastic center support thingy is optional...




I pulled back the teflon insulation on the new thermistors, no need to try & strip the wires, though I did use a razor to sort-of scrape & pick the insulation off the wires from the IAT...



There's 8 thermistors, twist them in pairs, you'll now have 4-sets, then twist those in pairs, you'll now have 2 sets, OK to use pliers to tighten up your twists, looks like this...




Twist again & cut the ends off to make them even, slip over some heatshrink tubing, looks like this...



Solder away, tin your leads first, use rosin core solder, plumbers solder & flux would be OK if you cleaned the flux off, picture shows bottom connector is cleaned top connector still dirty...



Apply heat with heat gun or use the fast waiving bic lighter technique to shrink your tubing...




I applied a few layers of heat shrink until I was happy with the rigidity-ness of the thing. I protected the thermistor heads from being exposed unnecessarily to heat while blasting it with the heat gun, it now looks like this...




Yes it is taller than the OEM, I left the leads on the new thermistors their full length b/c they would be better protected from heat while soldering & for ease of working with them. But you can cut them shorter. Considering the new height I'll have about 1/2" clearance to the ceiling once inside the airbox.

A note from the thermistor mfr about cutting the leads & soldering...

When soldering, care must be taken that the NTC thermistors are not damaged by excessive heat. The following maximum temperatures, maximum time spans and minimum distances have to be observed:
Dip soldering Iron soldering 360 °C max. Soldering time max. 2s.
Distance from thermistor min. 6 mm min.
Under more severe soldering conditions the resistance may change.

Congratulations!! You have The ERUPTION!!!



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It measures & compares like so...






The ERUPTION - about this mod

This mod is for anyone who wants a spoofer for their TR or for any BMW that uses an IAT that's interchangeable with the TR's. A spoofer is a device designed to fool the ECU into richening up the mixture to improve engine ride-ability. A lot of new bikes suffer from overly lean fuel mixtures. For the TR, it’s commonly reported the bike benefits from fuel enrichment in the open loop map.

Some popular spoofers have evolved into devices that use external temperature probes that plug inline with the IAT (intake air thermistor). Because they endeavor to modify the existing IAT R/T curve, & b/c their external probes are sometimes subjected to false temperature influences, they can be a bit imprecise at hitting their target. Depends on the device, the installation & the ambient temperature. By comparison The Eruption is simple & accurate at hitting its target fuel enrichment through the widest temperature range.

Should you ever want to reverse the mod, simply reinstall a stock IAT, cost has been reported to be around $25 with shipping. BMW P/N 1739510.

It's not clear how dealers or mfrs would view any spoofer installation should an engine warranty situation occur. Probably the same way they view a PC but who knows?

The Eruption replaces the single 5k NTC in the IAT with 8- 100k NTC thermistors to spoof the ECU into thinking it's 20C colder than it really is to get a 6% enrichment while operating in the open loop map. It maintains that 20C offset really well no matter what the real temperature happens to be. This gives a nice consistent fuel mixture. Credit to Italian friends Gaspare & Belinassu for their development & testing work.


:doh: Don't do this mod if you already have a spoofer. :doh:



Some benefits over other spoofers are..
  • This arrangement follows the non-linear curve of the existing OEM 5kNTC thermistor IAT VERY well.
  • The temperature measured IS the actual air temp for combustion with no false heat influences.
  • The IAT stays dry & isn't subject to false cold influences (wetbulb temps).
  • Bike outwardly looks stock, no extra wires, switches or sensors running about.
  • Inexpensive.
Q & A


Will this mod stop stalling problems?
That was the motivation for this TR owner to find a solution. The Strada would stall & though the dealer's "program update" helped matters it didn't eliminate the occasional & sometimes ill-timed lean stall. Several magazine articles have also mentioned the issue. After The Eruption & post engine warm-up, I have never had an engine stall.

How do I get to my IAT to do this mod?
Remove the left side plastic body panel, see High Five's "How to" post #189.
Remove the IAT Bosch connector plug (hint; depress the metal clip) third picture down here.
Depress the small plastic dog leg release on the side of the IAT (see photo above) & pull down from the airbox.

Why is there eight thermistors?
It had to be to get the correct T/R values. The new thermistors look identical to the OEM but they are higher values. Combining them gets us to our target values. The new thermistors measure 100k ohms at 25C & once completed The Eruption will measure 12.5K ohms at 25C. If you own an ohm meter it would be a good idea to check each thermistor before performing the mod, they should all measure very close to each other with their heads subjected to the same temperatures. Then check one at 25C. This will verify that your vendor did in fact ship the correct thermistors.

I have The Eruption now there's a symbol displayed on my dash?
The little snowflake symbol would otherwise warn the rider of potential hazardous conditions. Also if you select to display ambient temp the dash will now show 20C colder than what it really is. This is a common tradeoff for all of the IAT spoofers used on the TR as it uses the same thermistor for outside air temp display & ECU computations. The snowflake is small & not annoying.

I have The Eruption now the Check Engine Light comes on when it's freezing outside, why? With the stock IAT the CEL will come illuminate on the TR around 0F. It's not known with any specificity why the engineers designed this to happen. All of the IAT spoofers will fool the ECU into thinking it's colder than it really is & so they will cause the CEL to illuminate around freezing temperature on the TR.

Are there any noticeable downsides?
Expect the bike to run rich during cold-start / warm-up but not smokey rough running rich. Any 20C offset spoofer like BP or The Juice will be the same in this regard, they just don't mention it.

OK I'm going to do it - is there anything else I should know?
While you have your side panels off you may want to consider doing a canisterectomy (tips, small fuel filter can be found at O'Reilly autoparts, also vinyl (colored) vacuum plug caps like these will last longer than the rubber Dormer brand ones, it's not too difficult to remove the hose at the throttle body & use a vinyl plug there). The Eruption works well with a cat-be-gone mod & is expected to work well with after market slip-ons.
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This section is for those that want to know more, please ignore what follows...

This table was used for proof of concept purposes...it compares our OEM IAT's 5k NTC thermistor temp/resistance readings with a typical 5k NTC (just to see that it doesn't have any odd characteristics) then two targets for a 20C offset (just to see that using either as a target would be OK) & a look at how we could expect our modded IAT to do at hitting those targets…




Credit to hassepfeffer for making this graph...




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BTW this is how I think the cabled spoofers like "BoosterPlug" & "The Juice" are constructed, in case anyone wants to make one or improve on it...



But why would you want to make a cabled spoofer when you can have The Eruption!

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If anyone has a cabled spoofer & you'd like to see how close to target it gets, post the resistance values at 0, 25 & 50C so we can compare.





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Run-it, if I wish to not have the 20º offsett, but rather something less, could I do something like this? I am not sure if I need more or less resistance to get the 10 or 15 degree ofsett. thermistor.jpg

 
Run-it, if I wish to not have the 20º offsett, but rather something less, could I do something like this? I am not sure if I need more or less resistance to get the 10 or 15 degree ofsett. View attachment 35281

Yep, the second one, the first would make the offset greater, the second one would lessen the offset. The real trick is to find something that will make a consistent offset no matter what the temperature happens to be. A thermistor + resistor may also do the trick. If something can't be found to mimic the existing resistance / temperature curve it likely can for at least some of its range, for example between -10F & 40F.
 
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Just made mine tonight....pretty staight forward if you follow the above steps...I got a spare housing from ebay for $14 shipped just incase I screwed up haha...hooked my ohm meter up to it in side the house at 68 degrees and then carried it outside where its 39 degrees the resistance started to climb ... I exhaled on it and the warmth of my breath made the resistance drop so fingers crossed I think it will work just fine ... I am gonna install it tomorrow I will let y'all know how it works... Thanks to whoever came up with this
 
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Just made mine tonight....pretty staight forward if you follow the above steps...I got a spare housing from ebay for $14 shipped just incase I screwed up haha...hooked my ohm meter up to it in side the house at 68 degrees and then carried it outside where its 39 degrees the resistance started to climb ... I exhaled on it and the warmth of my breath made the resistance drop so fingers crossed I think it will work just fine ... I am gonna install it tomorrow I will let y'all know how it works... Thanks to whoever came up with this


Good job, it's a good idea to check the thermistors resistance before the build to make sure they're all the same, the concern being someone will get a wrong thermistor shipped.

After the build if you have a VOM you can compare your resistance with the example build in the table. Don't need to compare at every temperature, just one or two. Hair dryer works well checking warmer temps.
 
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