• Hi everyone,

    As you all know, Coffee (Dean) passed away a couple of years ago. I am Dean's ex-wife's husband and happen to have spent my career in tech. Over the years, I occasionally helped Dean with various tech issues.

    When he passed, I worked with his kids to gather the necessary credentials to keep this site running. Since then (and for however long they worked with Coffee), Woodschick and Dirtdame have been maintaining the site and covering the costs. Without their hard work and financial support, CafeHusky would have been lost.

    Over the past couple of weeks, I’ve been working to migrate the site to a free cloud compute instance so that Woodschick and Dirtdame no longer have to fund it. At the same time, I’ve updated the site to a current version of XenForo (the discussion software it runs on). The previous version was outdated and no longer supported.

    Unfortunately, the new software version doesn’t support importing the old site’s styles, so for now, you’ll see the XenForo default style. This may change over time.

    Coffee didn’t document the work he did on the site, so I’ve been digging through the old setup to understand how everything was running. There may still be things I’ve missed. One known issue is that email functionality is not yet working on the new site, but I hope to resolve this over time.

    Thanks for your patience and support!

Canadian TR650 owners with stalling issues

johnsweet said:
Will we ever be able to re-program this ECU and eliminate the lean stumble? KTM- BMW holds the key, such an easy fix, to change some software that may stop the death of a rider is in my opinion gross negligence
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John, BMW holds the key, they control and own copyright on the firmware, Husky/KTM are negligent in that they failed to ensure all machines were updated to the latest firmware version (dated 2012) when they delivered machines to customers. The last firmware version does not have the stumble per se but there are a couple of aspects which could be improved as has been done on the G650GS/Sertao
 
So how do we as owners of a Husqvarna TR650 get BMW to support us and change the firmware? A fatality, I hope not. Improving the G650S/Sertao must have happened by recall. Is this our only recourse? http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/hotline, I have called several times, nothing happens.
 
Still waiting on my local KTM/Husky dealer to address the Canadian recall. They said it would be ready early this week though. According to the service department it took forever for Husky to send them the passcode to allow the TR to be updated by their system......not sure if that's the truth or they are bull shitting me, either way hope it's fixed. The service department also said they had to wait for parts to arrive....again not sure what parts were required by the recall....maybe the rotax was replaced by ktm's LC-4 engine lol.

Soon as I get it back Ill update this thread for sure.

From speaking to,some of the techs it sounds like the Canadian Government put out the recall before Husky was ready or willing to address the problem. Either way I'm pretty stoked to possibly get my bike back better/safer than before.

For all the other Canadian TR owners get your bikes to,your dealers!! Maybe then Husky will see the big picture and help our counterparts in other Countries without their version of a recall being needed.
 
James Rideout said:
Still waiting on my local KTM/Husky dealer to address the Canadian recall. They said it would be ready early this week though. According to the service department it took forever for Husky to send them the passcode to allow the TR to be updated by their system......not sure if that's the truth or they are bull shitting me, either way hope it's fixed. The service department also said they had to wait for parts to arrive....again not sure what parts were required by the recall....maybe the rotax was replaced by ktm's LC-4 engine lol.

Soon as I get it back Ill update this thread for sure.

From speaking to,some of the techs it sounds like the Canadian Government put out the recall before Husky was ready or willing to address the problem. Either way I'm pretty stoked to possibly get my bike back better/safer than before.

For all the other Canadian TR owners get your bikes to,your dealers!! Maybe then Husky will see the big picture and help our counterparts in other Countries without their version of a recall being needed.
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I wonder how far of a drive it is to the nearest Canadian dealer?
 
My thoughts exactly, for me it's almost the same distance, the dealer I purchased from is in Danbury CT. 430 miles and Halifax, Nova Scotia is 441 miles. It's a no brainer if I can get the updated firmware in Canada. If we can do this update anyone traveling by my house in Mount Desert, Maine has a free place to stay for one night with shower, toilet, plus kitchen. RSVP
 
johnsweet said:
My thoughts exactly, for me it's almost the same distance, the dealer I purchased from is in Danbury CT. 430 miles and Halifax, Nova Scotia is 441 miles. It's a no brainer if I can get the updated firmware in Canada. If we can do this update anyone traveling by my house in Mount Desert, Maine has a free place to stay for one night with shower, toilet, plus kitchen. RSVP
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If you take the ferry from Bangor Maine to Yarmouth Nova Scotia that should knock off a few hours of driving. Unless you already took that into account.
 
I'd love to take the Bluenose but it stopped running years ago. Regardless my dream motorcycle trip is to ride the north shore of the St Lawrence Sea Way to Kagaska then get on the ferry to Blanc Sablon, then across to Newfoundland then down to catch the ferry in Placentia to Sydney then to Halifax. If I allowed a month would that be enough time?
 
I called Freedom Cycle in Halifax today and asked about me traveling to their shop for an ECU update. He didn't say yes or no just asked for my vehicle identification number so I sent him that via email. He did say he did not know if a Canadian dealer could update a TR650 purchased in the USA. I'll wait and see, keep your fingers crossed.
 
My dealer still has had no info other than confirming that my bike qualifies for whatever resolution gets released.
Emailed gc.ca for more info/updates months ago with no reply....

I mailed my ECU to KTM last summer and have their latest firmware and it's just as stall-ish. Looks like I'll never unplug the Dobek.
 
I installed the LC2 because I wanted the ability to log what was going on. My Terra runs brilliantly and had since the installation about a 18 months ago.
 
Nick780 said:
My dealer still has had no info other than confirming that my bike qualifies for whatever resolution gets released.
Emailed gc.ca for more info/updates months ago with no reply....

I mailed my ECU to KTM last summer and have their latest firmware and it's just as stall-ish. Looks like I'll never unplug the Dobek.
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It is not surprising there is still a problem, mailing in the BMS-E is not a solution, the adaptions need to be reset as well. It may be o\possible for the dealer to do the reset but when the BMS-E is returned the machine needs to be run until the fan cuts in to rebuilt the adaption table

Beyond firmware updates, adaption reset and rebuild is a normal process when ever components are replaced so it is important to have that capability
 
WayneC said:
It is not surprising there is still a problem, mailing in the BMS-E is not a solution, the adaptions need to be reset as well. It may be o\possible for the dealer to do the reset but when the BMS-E is returned the machine needs to be run until the fan cuts in to rebuilt the adaption table

Beyond firmware updates, adaption reset and rebuild is a normal process when ever components are replaced so it is important to have that capability
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Hey Wayne, do you know if the GS911 has the ability to change the temp of when the fan kicks on?
 
mag00 said:
Hey Wayne, do you know if the GS911 has the ability to change the temp of when the fan kicks on?
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I might be able to tell you by the end of next week. I bit the bullet and ordered one after I heard about the additional features enabled for the Terra in teh latest version.
 
mag00 said:
Hey Wayne, do you know if the GS911 has the ability to change the temp of when the fan kicks on?
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The short answer is no, the reason is there is no settable parameter (coding) for fan in the BMS-E firmware, diags devices only give you the features/test routines which are programmed into the ECU. I have noticed the chatter re reducing temp on the Terra and considering there are 200,000 ish Rotax 650's in BMW bikes which have not shown any need to do so the question is why is anyone wasting time on trying to do so. In terms of the fan and adding a second fan, the fan on there does a great job and a second fan is a large electrical load which is not needed.
 
WayneC said:
The short answer is no, the reason is there is no settable parameter (coding) for fan in the BMS-E firmware, diags devices only give you the features/test routines which are programmed into the ECU. I have noticed the chatter re reducing temp on the Terra and considering there are 200,000 ish Rotax 650's in BMW bikes which have not shown any need to do so the question is why is anyone wasting time on trying to do so. In terms of the fan and adding a second fan, the fan on there does a great job and a second fan is a large electrical load which is not needed.
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Well, good question, and from a general engine temp perspective, the Terra system is flawed from the factory. You could find any number of overheating topics here and adv, and lots of talk about burping.

Once the temp sensor triggers the fan, yes, it does a great job. But running slow on the trails, my temp reaches nearly boiling or past boiling (pressurized system) before the fan kicks on. It needs to keep the coolant in the radiator colder than the engine temp to work, it does not do that at this time, on my bike and many others.

Some have opted for the T-stat delete, some use waterless coolant, but the problem does exist in the TR650, not sure what the BMW does. Does the temp on your bike run way past the thermostat setting before the fan kicks in?

Don't know about anybody else's bike, but mine could benefit from the fan coming on sooner, before the bike is near overheat.
 
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