Got a printout from MOSS system

[etotore]

With following info
Last used Program version
52.3.002

Is that last or what?
Can anyone understand this?

 

[PaulC]

Its your ISTA/P version


New Vers

But what you need to know is

and this


or PM WayneC for clarification

 

[Nick780]

I had mine done last summer and I'm on ECU prog. 8543016 (updated from 8532185,) Integration level KH24-13-02-500

 

[PaulC]

Yes I think the 16 version is US or CA only. My update occurred 11/Feb

 

[LED]

Where did you get it done PaulC ?

 

[PaulC]

I am fortunate to live only 70klms north of PFG, the ex-importer. They still have the capability to update. (FOC)

Initially I would contact/email DOTARs, stating the safety problem, stalling in my case (and yours!). Also mentioning the Canadian USA recalls.
Only a few of us have done it, so please do it.
It was DOTARS that pushed PFG to look at my bike.


I don't think we should have to pay for the update when the dealerships were ill prepared and still are.

 

[etotore]

See that I got printout from wrong page.
I will go back again in a few weeks time to check again.

Just sent an e-mail to BMW Motorad in Germany.
worth a try ??

Dear BMW Motorrad

In our area I get good service from the our local BMW shop, 4 hours drive away.

You state on your web site that you are a responsible company that take service and safety further than other companies. Or is that only in marketing?

You developed and designed a bike called the Terra/Strada 650 under the brand name Husqvarna that you owned at that time.

Sadly I bought it in a country where things are not so straight forward.
In your check list of that time for pre-delivery, software update was not included as an item.
So a lot of bikes have never been upgraded, to latest version.

And when if the recall software is done, how can we get it?

My humble request is that you enables software updates in the Philippines or better worldwide through your MOSS/OSS software and service network.
For improved safety of the people riding a bike that your company designed.

Because the engine dies or stall on the most scary places.

BR
xxxxxxxx

 

[WayneC]

With following info
Last used Program version
52.3.002

Is that last or what?
Can anyone understand this?

Yes, 52.3.002 is the dealer software version from around July 2014 so they have not updated since then, if they had programming capability though it does have the latest of the firmware files for the Terra/Strada so they could resolve most problems by doing a firmware update on your machine

 

[PaulC]

See that I got printout from wrong page.
I will go back again in a few weeks time to check again.

Just sent an e-mail to BMW Motorad in Germany.
worth a try ??

Dear BMW Motorrad


Because the engine dies or stall on the most scary places.

BR

Hey Etotore, why dont you try getting a recall going in the Philippines, there must be some safety department in Manila?

 

[Mark_H]

Hey Etotore, why dont you try getting a recall going in the Philippines, there must be some safety department in Manila?

Organising any form of recall or action here in PH is going to be pretty much impossible. The only way will be if the US recall results in legal action and we have a properly documented case to base our claims upon.

Philippines never even had a bona fide dealer set up for the 200 TR650s that are here. They were imported and sold at various prices by a company called Granstar who have turned out to be somewhat lacking in quality of service particularly in the after sales.
Listing themselves as the 'official husqvarna/ktm reseller for the Philippines' Granstar even issued their own very limited warranty on various parts of the bike, example .......battery one week, engine and mechanical parts 10k km etc etc. Their record of honouring even these limited warranties is abysmal to say the least.

Original price of the bikes new was around US $10K but with mickey mouse sales practices and the stalling issues etc the bikes did not sell well.
Granstar eventually sold the remaining bikes off at 50% discount price to basically get rid of them and there are still a few small shops that have one or two them brand new at US$ 5k or thereabouts. Despite the actual bike problems and the lack of dealership/warranty etc it represents good value for money when you consider the ridiculous prices of other imported bikes here. (eg BMW S1000RR, US price $14k, here $31K and the dealer (stealer) says its customs and taxes)

So with little or no dealer support, owners here have to resort to backstreet bike shops or their own mechanics to get even the simplest thing done to the bikes. Consequently nobody has a stamped up service book or real dealer history to show that the bike has been maintained to specs.
Secondhand Bikes are now being 'offloaded'by owners as fast as they can get rid of them and at amazing prices too. Last week there was a Strada with only 800 km on the odo and full Touratech accessories fitted being offered for the equivalent of US$ 5300.

With most owners either having made modifications, including myself, or wanting rid of the bikes, getting a recall organised probably may never happen. The relevant Government Trading standards departments are still in the dark ages here.

 

[M1A2TechPI]

Well said Mark. Like your "New Seat". Regards, Chris

 

[PaulC]

Well said Mark. Regards, Chris

Like I tell my Son Chris

 

[PaulC]

Organising any form of recall or action here in PH is going to be pretty much impossible. The only way will be if the US recall results in legal action and we have a properly documented case to base our claims upon.

Philippines never even had a bona fide dealer set up for the 200 TR650s that are here. They were imported and sold at various prices by a company called Granstar who have turned out to be somewhat lacking in quality of service particularly in the after sales.
Listing themselves as the 'official husqvarna/ktm reseller for the Philippines' Granstar even issued their own very limited warranty on various parts of the bike, example .......battery one week, engine and mechanical parts 10k km etc etc. Their record of honouring even these limited warranties is abysmal to say the least.

Original price of the bikes new was around US $10K but with mickey mouse sales practices and the stalling issues etc the bikes did not sell well.
Granstar eventually sold the remaining bikes off at 50% discount price to basically get rid of them and there are still a few small shops that have one or two them brand new at US$ 5k or thereabouts. Despite the actual bike problems and the lack of dealership/warranty etc it represents good value for money when you consider the ridiculous prices of other imported bikes here. (eg BMW S1000RR, US price $14k, here $31K and the dealer (stealer) says its customs and taxes)

So with little or no dealer support, owners here have to resort to backstreet bike shops or their own mechanics to get even the simplest thing done to the bikes. Consequently nobody has a stamped up service book or real dealer history to show that the bike has been maintained to specs.
Secondhand Bikes are now being 'offloaded'by owners as fast as they can get rid of them and at amazing prices too. Last week there was a Strada with only 800 km on the odo and full Touratech accessories fitted being offered for the equivalent of US$ 5300.

With most owners either having made modifications, including myself, or wanting rid of the bikes, getting a recall organised probably may never happen. The relevant Government Trading standards departments are still in the dark ages here.

Some interesting points in your reply.

Granstar should be held accountable
A BMW or KTM dealership may be able to help. I know your country is widely spread, but it would be good to have at least one point to go for ECU updates.

There is presently no recall occurring in Australia. But a number of TR owners have registered a complaint with the relevant safety and/or consumer affairs departments, about the stalling issue.
So at least there is an "email trail" in the event of serious personal injury. IMO I think yous should do the same, regardless.

 

[etotore]

Now I know...

BMSE : -
Controller Name : BMSE
Part No. : 08543016
Hardware Index : C1
Coding Index : 00
Manufacture Date (YY/MM/DD) : 2013-01-17
MCV : 0.6.4
FSV : 20.30.2
OSV : 2.3.1
Manufacturer : Magneti Marelli
VIN : ZKH0H12A3DVxxxxxx
Odometer : 11129.0 km
Factory I-Level : KH24-12-08-500
Actual I-Level : KH24-13-02-500
Fault Codes : 0
No Faults found :
- :
KOMBI18 : -
Controller Name : KOMBI18
Part No. : 08543235
Hardware Index : C0
Coding Index : 03
Manufacturer : MTA
Manufacture Date (YY/MM/DD) : 2013-01-31
MCV : 0.6.4
FSV : 1.5.0
OSV : 3.3.10
Assembly No. : 08543235
Fault Codes : 0

I have if I understand correctly is the latest firmware.
After a stall, in a 90 degree turn with passenger on the back, this will be fixed...

I will try to follow the advice of people on the forum and do the LC-2 Innovate modification.
Already done Pulstar Spark plugs.

There are some circular unit that does the temperature mod, but it does not make a great difference over time as people has already mentioned. Will be removed.

Have to do the 10K service, so when the last parts arriving, that is a good time to try to fit everything.

Parts I do have, ready is
Innovate LC-2, missing *heat resistor, in order*
Bigger fuel injector and GS-911

So here is my plan, do 10K service, because of valve clearance check "everything" need to be dismantled anyway...

Drag up cables tidy and nice.
Will remove the temperature spoofer,,

Not sure if I will need bigger fuel injector or I should do only LC-2?
Else fuel injector alone then add LC-2 on top..
any advice,,,
With GS-911 easy to reset fuel mix to default..

 

[DJOV]

I am fortunate to live only 70klms north of PFG, the ex-importer. They still have the capability to update. (FOC)

Initially I would contact/email DOTARs, stating the safety problem, stalling in my case (and yours!). Also mentioning the Canadian USA recalls.
Only a few of us have done it, so please do it.
It was DOTARS that pushed PFG to look at my bike.


I don't think we should have to pay for the update when the dealerships were ill prepared and still are.

I agree with this. And it seems the logical place to start, if BMW was to demonstrate integrity.

 

[WayneC]

BMSE : -
Controller Name : BMSE
Part No. : 08543016

KOMBI18 : -
Controller Name : KOMBI18
Part No. : 08543235

I have if I understand correctly is the latest firmware.

Yes that is the last US firmware release, if you are having continual stalling issues then look for the faults which are causing it, we know the last firmware release runs well

So here is my plan, do 10K service, because of valve clearance check "everything" need to be dismantled anyway...

Drag up cables tidy and nice.
Will remove the temperature spoofer,,

Good plan

Not sure if I will need bigger fuel injector or I should do only LC-2?
Else fuel injector alone then add LC-2 on top..
any advice,,,
With GS-911 easy to reset fuel mix to default..

Fit the larger injector, reset adaptions and run it for a tank of fuel or 2 and see how it goes

The LC2 should only be considered an enhancement to a well running machine, no point in attempting enhancements if there are non firmware faults causing problems