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ISDE 2015 Slovakia

This is your guys' sporting event and I'm just looking at, but it sounds like amateur hour to disqualify so many riders on a day and then telling them to keep riding. then an entire day later, say it was a mistake and we'll go back and do all the math again with orders from 'The FIM’s International Disciplinary Court'?

The mistake was waiting so long to make a ruling ... If the infraction was so small, why so long to make a ruling? Why even make the call to disqualify? Clown act here that taints the results...Even if correct, the officials caused the issue by not addressing it before the nexts' day racing over what is called now a trivial matter?

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ray_ray said:
This is your guys' sporting event and I'm just looking at, but it sounds like amateur hour to disqualify so many riders on a day and then telling them to keep riding. then an entire day later, say it was a mistake and we'll go back and do all the math again with orders from 'The FIM’s International Disciplinary Court'?

The mistake was waiting so long to make a ruling ... If the infraction was so small, why so long to make a ruling? Why even make the call to disqualify? Clown act here that taints the results...Even if correct, the officials caused the issue by not addressing it before the nexts' day racing over what is called now a trivial matter?
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Read my post Ray....
 
Bringing in the suits to settle this? Hope you are not trying to complete with the ncaa\nfl and other pro-sports in the states .. We are the champs chumps at picking winners\losers in the back-room...

Too bad for the riders it ends up like this ... No lives were lost so I'm ok with it and the beat goes on ...
 
Fred Hoess just wrapped up his 19th ISDE Gold Medal making him the first man ever to do this .This would be and is like Olympic gold.Fred Is a true American motorcycle Hero as much as any athlete yet haven't heard a word from anyone about this.Freds a humble guy and we should all let him know how proud we are of him.!!Fred Hoess also should be in the AMA hall of Fame !!! Let them and Fred Know !! Fred my hats off to you buddy you are awesome.!!
 
Norman Foley said:
Jury's decision to exclude the 8 riders has been stayed, not reversed. At a future date the FIM Court will make a ruling on the actual Jury decision and it will be upheld or overturned. Australia may be 2015 World Trophy Champions, before the lawyers are done.....
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My sentiments as well!!
It sucked that the 8 riders missed the check point and it was a valid excuse in using safety as the reason not to turn back as it was a single trail...but not to issue a time penalty at least??

Racemx904..you are correct from an individual racer's POV in that the Aussie's should has pressed on but after what happened last year and in previous years plus with such a large time advantage, l think it's only human for a team to ride fast but caution in order to secure the team trophy - let's not forget it's a team event. However, to have a large time advantage evaporated over night...:censored:
 
stop being so nice ... if aussies want to have a whinge we can

I am sure if the US team had been in the Aussies shoes by they would have kicked up a stink

I don't think many teams have won all three classes before .

Obviously the riders felt like they had been hard done by and they are the best judge of what is fair
 
Only the French 2013 Rocky..

LoL, whinge com'on mate we're all gracious runner up's here, it was so sporting of the Aussie's to take the top podium then walk off the stage completely, loved it!! Hey, FIM/FIFA same same, you can break a rule, get DQ'd, allowed to race, then get reinstated and have your race times included when you were allowed to race under a DQ yet amazingly suffer no time penalties at all....don't get me started.
 
As a Yank.....I am not looking at what happened as it happened.....I am lookin at 2016 with an Aussie team with Sanders and Price on it and 4 of this year! That will be tough to beat. And with Glen maybe at the helm of the team as team manager, that team would be tough to beat in both riders, management, preparation, and pre season and during 6 day race strategy. has a big requirement to finisheing well....TEAM! need 5 to be in it. nice to be top or top in class but that does not win the overall tropy. USA will realize this soon and adopt a team approach lik GB, FR, AUS, ESP, FIN, ITL, etc....
 
Fred is little hard to grasp for me unless I think back to where I was in life when he first started racing this event ... Then it is a little mind boggling with the commitment over that time frame ..

Joe you guys are gonna have to spoon me on what you mean by team? Do we not practice together or have a central idea or coach? I got a little jacked over the Sipes incident ... A little curious on this event now ... It's no accident or he just lucky to win that overall ... Might be a pool of untapped riders out there ...
 
Pretty easy Ray-Ray, the ISDE is won by a 6 rider Trophy team, 4 rider Junior and 3 rider womens with reserves that can only be activated before the event commences.
Riders race in 3 catergories called E1, E2 and E3 with womens in one catagory, so regardless if you are classed junior or senior, you ride in the same catagory.
In all catagories, the combined times of 5 quickest rider trophy team are telled up to form the score, 3 riders for Junior and 2 riders for womens.
If you look are day one, you'll see how the scoring based:
Rank Country Day 1
USA 3:42:49.48 3:42:49.48
20 DUVALL Thaddeus 44:56.69 *
21 BROWN Michael 45:27.76 *
22 ROBERT Taylor 44:37.79 *
23 RUSSELL Kailub 43:52.82 *
24 SIPES Ryan 43:54.42 *
25 SUTHERLIN Gary 45:45.54

2 AUSTRALIA 3:44:03.65 3:44:03.65 +1:14.17
50 GREEN Joshua 44:46.55 *
51 MILNER Daniel 44:09.72 *
52 PHILLIPS Matthew 44:32.20 *
53 RALSTON Beau 45:52.31 54
STANFORD Lachlan 44:50.82 *
55 KEARNY Glen 45:44.36 *

Rank Country | Day 1 | Day 2 | TOTAL | Handicap 1
AUSTRALIA | 3:44:03.65 | 3:49:48.99 | 7:33:52.64
50 GREEN Joshua | 44:46.55 * | 46:05.32 *
51 MILNER Daniel | 44:09.72 * | 45:09.30 *
52 PHILLIPS Matthew | 44:32.20 * | 45:41.67 *
53 RALSTON Beau | 45:52.31 | 46:41.92 *
54 STANFORD Lachlan | 44:50.82 * | 46:10.78 *
55 KEARNY Glen | 45:44.36 * | 47:47.70

2 USA | 3:42:49.48 | 3:51:11.40 | 7:34:00.88 | +8.24
20 DUVALL Thaddeus | 44:56.69 * | 46:26.95 *
21 BROWN Michael | 45:27.76 * | 46:57.35 *
22 ROBERT Taylor | 44:37.79 * | 46:54.49 *
23 RUSSELL Kailub | 43:52.82 * | 45:31.33 *
24 SIPES Ryan | 43:54.42 * | 45:21.28 *
25 SUTHERLIN Gary | 45:45.54 | 47:35.97

Now, if one of your riders drop out, it's up to 5 five rider's only to continue riding consistently quick in order to maintain the overal times, drop another rider and it's down to 4 riders making almost impossible to win the Trophy title - this is what makes the ISDE such a teams event as it's not about being the quickest rider (it helps if your riders are the quickest in each category), it's about rewarding the team that can maintain a fast time consistently over the course of 6 days.

What we the Aussies (possibly the rest of the world) are peeved about is that the DQ'd French riders were reinstated, including their individual riders times on days 4 and 5, on the the 5th day with only 1 day remaining yet there where no penalities awarded to any rider who were DQ'd on the 3rd day, making the rules abit of a farce as it means that you can miss a check point and claim safety and be rewarded with the ability to compete in the event with NO PENALTY at all.
 
Has the bloody trophy been sent down under yet!?

I wonder if FIM will even announce the decision...
 
big long multi day races always are full of politics and cheating. Baja 500/1000, Dakar, ISDE... Its unfortunate.

ohmygewd said:
it's about rewarding the team that can maintain a fast time consistently over the course of 6 days.
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Which is why it is so interesting. Cool race other than the politics of it.
 
It's probably the most controversial out of the lot Kelly, majority of the time it maybe one or two riders, the selection of the event or the organisation of the event but for 8 riders to be DQ'd under their FIM rules, then allowed to race when in previous years meant you were finished, then reinstated with no penalties is, IMO, the FIM trying to bow down to the French Federation of Motorcycles whom had more to lose as three of their trophy riders where in this DQ'd group.

Boogie, still pending...probably the FIM didn't like an insignificant country/market like Australia perform a clean sweep of the ISDE???
 
ohmygewd said:
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Boogie, still pending...probably the FIM didn't like an insignificant country/market like Australia perform a clean sweep of the ISDE???
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Maybe they only let the women's and junior Aussies win because they each had a fine French motorcycle in their team.
We need to get a senior rider on a Sherco for next year!
 
ohmygewd said:
Pretty easy Ray-Ray, the ISDE is won by a 6 rider Trophy team, 4 rider Junior and 3 rider womens with reserves that can only be activated before the event commences.
Riders race in 3 catergories called E1, E2 and E3 with womens in one catagory, so regardless if you are classed junior or senior, you ride in the same catagory.
In all catagories, the combined times of 5 quickest rider trophy team are telled up to form the score, 3 riders for Junior and 2 riders for womens.
If you look are day one, you'll see how the scoring based:
Rank Country Day 1
USA 3:42:49.48 3:42:49.48
20 DUVALL Thaddeus 44:56.69 *
21 BROWN Michael 45:27.76 *
22 ROBERT Taylor 44:37.79 *
23 RUSSELL Kailub 43:52.82 *
24 SIPES Ryan 43:54.42 *
25 SUTHERLIN Gary 45:45.54

2 AUSTRALIA 3:44:03.65 3:44:03.65 +1:14.17
50 GREEN Joshua 44:46.55 *
51 MILNER Daniel 44:09.72 *
52 PHILLIPS Matthew 44:32.20 *
53 RALSTON Beau 45:52.31 54
STANFORD Lachlan 44:50.82 *
55 KEARNY Glen 45:44.36 *

Rank Country | Day 1 | Day 2 | TOTAL | Handicap 1
AUSTRALIA | 3:44:03.65 | 3:49:48.99 | 7:33:52.64
50 GREEN Joshua | 44:46.55 * | 46:05.32 *
51 MILNER Daniel | 44:09.72 * | 45:09.30 *
52 PHILLIPS Matthew | 44:32.20 * | 45:41.67 *
53 RALSTON Beau | 45:52.31 | 46:41.92 *
54 STANFORD Lachlan | 44:50.82 * | 46:10.78 *
55 KEARNY Glen | 45:44.36 * | 47:47.70

2 USA | 3:42:49.48 | 3:51:11.40 | 7:34:00.88 | +8.24
20 DUVALL Thaddeus | 44:56.69 * | 46:26.95 *
21 BROWN Michael | 45:27.76 * | 46:57.35 *
22 ROBERT Taylor | 44:37.79 * | 46:54.49 *
23 RUSSELL Kailub | 43:52.82 * | 45:31.33 *
24 SIPES Ryan | 43:54.42 * | 45:21.28 *
25 SUTHERLIN Gary | 45:45.54 | 47:35.97

Now, if one of your riders drop out, it's up to 5 five rider's only to continue riding consistently quick in order to maintain the overal times, drop another rider and it's down to 4 riders making almost impossible to win the Trophy title - this is what makes the ISDE such a teams event as it's not about being the quickest rider (it helps if your riders are the quickest in each category), it's about rewarding the team that can maintain a fast time consistently over the course of 6 days.

What we the Aussies (possibly the rest of the world) are peeved about is that the DQ'd French riders were reinstated, including their individual riders times on days 4 and 5, on the the 5th day with only 1 day remaining yet there where no penalities awarded to any rider who were DQ'd on the 3rd day, making the rules abit of a farce as it means that you can miss a check point and claim safety and be rewarded with the ability to compete in the event with NO PENALTY at all.
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You forgot the club riders are also scored in their group.
 
Stepping away from the politics.... Fred Hoess keeps it on 2 wheels to a Gold Medal!
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