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Hi everyone,
As you all know, Coffee (Dean) passed away a couple of years ago. I am Dean's ex-wife's husband and happen to have spent my career in tech. Over the years, I occasionally helped Dean with various tech issues.
When he passed, I worked with his kids to gather the necessary credentials to keep this site running. Since then (and for however long they worked with Coffee), Woodschick and Dirtdame have been maintaining the site and covering the costs. Without their hard work and financial support, CafeHusky would have been lost.
Over the past couple of weeks, I’ve been working to migrate the site to a free cloud compute instance so that Woodschick and Dirtdame no longer have to fund it. At the same time, I’ve updated the site to a current version of XenForo (the discussion software it runs on). The previous version was outdated and no longer supported.
Unfortunately, the new software version doesn’t support importing the old site’s styles, so for now, you’ll see the XenForo default style. This may change over time.
Coffee didn’t document the work he did on the site, so I’ve been digging through the old setup to understand how everything was running. There may still be things I’ve missed. One known issue is that email functionality is not yet working on the new site, but I hope to resolve this over time.
Thanks for your patience and support!
Iv'e thrown the towel in!
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mag00
Husqvarna
Pro Class
I don't know if it is that bad. Years ago I had to make the decision to sell my R100GS. I posted up on the MOA and got experiences and feedback to make an informed decision. And who better to talk about it than the guys who own em?
I sold the Beemer and never looked back. Probably the best move ever as that thing was riddled with problems, worse than the Terra ever could have.
As long as we are talking about the troubles on the bike, what would it take to get a topic on reporting safety issues and how to proceed with safety agencies, pinned to the top?
Dave
Ogre_fl
Husqvarna
Pro Class
In the OP's defense I have had 2 fairly modern bikes that were flawless as far as the basic running was concerned.
That was my 650 V-strom and 650 Versys.
The Strom had me completely spoiled when it came to my expectations of a modern EFI bike.
I bought a Buell and a BMW after it that I could not deal with the "flaws" and quickly got rid of them.
My Versys was just as flawless as the Strom.
I am a bit more tolerant of the TR's flaws, because there are no other motorcycles that has the on road/off road mix that this bike does.
I do feel however that manufactures CAN and should build bikes without these flaws....but BMW (which is what this bike is) is not one of them that can.
That was my 650 V-strom and 650 Versys.
The Strom had me completely spoiled when it came to my expectations of a modern EFI bike.
I bought a Buell and a BMW after it that I could not deal with the "flaws" and quickly got rid of them.
My Versys was just as flawless as the Strom.
I am a bit more tolerant of the TR's flaws, because there are no other motorcycles that has the on road/off road mix that this bike does.
I do feel however that manufactures CAN and should build bikes without these flaws....but BMW (which is what this bike is) is not one of them that can.
That's the power of mass production. Many more v-stroms are sold per year than the entire Husqvarna lineup. I don't know if we ever say numbers for total TRs sold, but Husky numbers for 2012 were around 10k units...that's pretty meager when you look at the Japanese bikes. With the V-strom it was not a new or really tweaked that much engine. The engine has been around since the '98 SV with minor updates until becoming full injected in 2003. The V-strom was a year later, so assuming you had the first year (2004), there still would have been 10s of thousands of that engine with fuel injection sold globally. By the second gen in 2012 the number of those engines on the market is simply massive. To expect a small shop niche 1 year bike to have a flawless system is well, it's a stretch to say the least.
With the added numbers BMW has sold on the fuel injected 650, you'd expect more, but the changes to the Husky 650 are pretty large when you consider it from a fueling system, so it's really not apples to apples.
Ogre_fl
Husqvarna
Pro Class
I disagree. Its not mass production its QA and testing.
Sure they have sold a ton of SV's, Stroms, 650 Ninja's and Versys...but they all worked from day one and in every iteration.
BMW was behind this bike and it is largely based upon a model they have been building for YEARS.
If you look, BMW has screwed up every iteration of this motor.
Every time they change it, it has stalling, starting and/or running issues.
I don't blame Husqvarna, if it was a sole Husky clean sheet product I would agree with you.
But I firmly believe this was BMW's replacement for or evolution of their 650's.
Husky would not have used so much BMW stuff if it was not forced upon them.
This is just another example of BMW beta testing with production models and this will truly be the last BMW product I will buy.
Sure they have sold a ton of SV's, Stroms, 650 Ninja's and Versys...but they all worked from day one and in every iteration.
BMW was behind this bike and it is largely based upon a model they have been building for YEARS.
If you look, BMW has screwed up every iteration of this motor.
Every time they change it, it has stalling, starting and/or running issues.
I don't blame Husqvarna, if it was a sole Husky clean sheet product I would agree with you.
But I firmly believe this was BMW's replacement for or evolution of their 650's.
Husky would not have used so much BMW stuff if it was not forced upon them.
This is just another example of BMW beta testing with production models and this will truly be the last BMW product I will buy.
I agree. They didn't do a wide release of the Nuda because of the emissions, it seems they designed the 650 for the more lax emissions, then tightened it down as an afterthought to put more into the market. I bet most of their pre-production testing was spent with a different fueling system. But it also wouldn't surprise me if they were just trying to rush to market after the horrendous sales numbers they had and trying to stop the bleeding a bit by releasing the new models.
Clete
Husqvarna
AA Class
Bingo!
You get the "Thrown In The Towel Award"
Wait....no ya don't
Oh ok....yes ya do
If enough money is offered for the award, take it
Xcuvator
Husqvarna
Pro Class
Related issues, with high volume comes funds to build better software, with sharing of the engine across years and platforms comes a lower cost per unit for that software.
But, it is also a matter of corporate priorities, and BMW had this low down their list no doubt.
So, Ive got this old XR650L, it does what a Terra does, about the same weight, no water, no computer, handles crappy, kinda slow. I kinda like the old lump.
Good EFI is a wonderful thing, bad EFI is a PITA.
Also, I just replaced the ECU in my 50k mile 1995 Oldsmobile...the ECUs have a reputation for being flakey.
Intermittent stalling in your family cruiser really isnt a good thing. So, GM proves that high volume can still produce crappy electronics!
That was my main point.
Fixed that for you...
And fixed that one too
endurobra
Husqvarna
B Class
As a Nuda rider I just came here to stir the sh-t up
I didn't mean to dis. your rides guys. I do think they made a better job of the Nuda out of the crate, but I still think the Terra is the better looking machine. As for the heritage thing, lets face it Husqvarna died years ago, it's just a name to be bought and sold. Some time in the distant future when KTM overstretch themselves they will sell the name back to the Cagiva/MV mob and the whole cycle will start again.
I didn't mean to dis. your rides guys. I do think they made a better job of the Nuda out of the crate, but I still think the Terra is the better looking machine. As for the heritage thing, lets face it Husqvarna died years ago, it's just a name to be bought and sold. Some time in the distant future when KTM overstretch themselves they will sell the name back to the Cagiva/MV mob and the whole cycle will start again.
I think I will buy a lawn mower and wear my gear while cutting grass!
Clete
Husqvarna
AA Class
The orange ones have logos that match my gear !!
Yeah, I did that with a trimmer...I've put more hours on that Husky this summer than on my dirt bikes.
Ogre_fl
Husqvarna
Pro Class
Are you sure it was flaky or did it just die of boredom.
50K over 19 years is not a lot of use.
