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Hi everyone,
As you all know, Coffee (Dean) passed away a couple of years ago. I am Dean's ex-wife's husband and happen to have spent my career in tech. Over the years, I occasionally helped Dean with various tech issues.
When he passed, I worked with his kids to gather the necessary credentials to keep this site running. Since then (and for however long they worked with Coffee), Woodschick and Dirtdame have been maintaining the site and covering the costs. Without their hard work and financial support, CafeHusky would have been lost.
Over the past couple of weeks, I’ve been working to migrate the site to a free cloud compute instance so that Woodschick and Dirtdame no longer have to fund it. At the same time, I’ve updated the site to a current version of XenForo (the discussion software it runs on). The previous version was outdated and no longer supported.
Unfortunately, the new software version doesn’t support importing the old site’s styles, so for now, you’ll see the XenForo default style. This may change over time.
Coffee didn’t document the work he did on the site, so I’ve been digging through the old setup to understand how everything was running. There may still be things I’ve missed. One known issue is that email functionality is not yet working on the new site, but I hope to resolve this over time.
Thanks for your patience and support!
Motosportz 09 WR125's available now and at a SMOKING price....
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wallybean
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Kelly,
You can move your operation to Montana and become the only dealer in the state!!!
Any dealer that has an issue with what Kelly is doing is extremely near sighted and I question whether this isn't just jealousy because they lack the creativity to create these kinds of opportunities themselves. I bought a WR125 mainly because of all the rep that Kelly and a few others(Norman, Joe Chod, etc) did. I bought mine through Bill's Motorcycle Plus and he was great to work with. Where was I supposed to buy a Husky in bum!@$#$Egypt. The more bikes that Husky can sell the more they will sell in the future. How does offering a specialized deal to get more Huskies out there take any money out of any dealers Pocket. Sorry for the rant but until there is at least one Husky dealer every hundred miles or so all the current dealers need support any attempt to sell more bikes. 
Walt
You can move your operation to Montana and become the only dealer in the state!!!
Any dealer that has an issue with what Kelly is doing is extremely near sighted and I question whether this isn't just jealousy because they lack the creativity to create these kinds of opportunities themselves. I bought a WR125 mainly because of all the rep that Kelly and a few others(Norman, Joe Chod, etc) did. I bought mine through Bill's Motorcycle Plus and he was great to work with. Where was I supposed to buy a Husky in bum!@$#$Egypt. The more bikes that Husky can sell the more they will sell in the future. How does offering a specialized deal to get more Huskies out there take any money out of any dealers Pocket. Sorry for the rant but until there is at least one Husky dealer every hundred miles or so all the current dealers need support any attempt to sell more bikes. Walt
And while we are on the subject of offering stuff that people want....how about that Kelly offered up Husqvarna riding gear before any dealers ever did. And not only did they offer up the gear, but they special ordered some smaller sized stuff that they don't carry,just so I could wear some. My local dealers still don't have anything to offer in the way of big H riding gear.
Norman Foley
Husqvarna
Pro Class
I guess I have to join the "A" for @$$hole team here.....
While I know Kelly's devotion to the brand and appreciate what he has done and will do for Husky. The idea of selling a "tweaked" bike, ready to go is a good one.
Unfortunately it appears that he and his dealer have stepped inadvertentley over a line. That line is... The Husky Dealer Agreement which exists to protect Husky US and its dealers. I've never seen it, but I'm pretty sure it has a clause about... "Dealers cannot broker bikes through second parties." This situation can be over come by the authorized dealer involved, selling the bikes as a "Motosportz Special Editions" through the dealership, as oppossed to Kelly and Motosportz selling them directly.
You can laugh at laws, but no one can take them lightly.....
While I know Kelly's devotion to the brand and appreciate what he has done and will do for Husky. The idea of selling a "tweaked" bike, ready to go is a good one.
Unfortunately it appears that he and his dealer have stepped inadvertentley over a line. That line is... The Husky Dealer Agreement which exists to protect Husky US and its dealers. I've never seen it, but I'm pretty sure it has a clause about... "Dealers cannot broker bikes through second parties." This situation can be over come by the authorized dealer involved, selling the bikes as a "Motosportz Special Editions" through the dealership, as oppossed to Kelly and Motosportz selling them directly.
You can laugh at laws, but no one can take them lightly.....
krieg
Husqvarna
Pro Class
Protect Husky US and its dealers from WHAT? KTM? KAWASAKI? HONDA? YAMAHA? SUZUKI?... How in the planet of HELL can it "hurt" Husky US and/or ANY of its dealers to put more Huskys in the hands of enthusiatic riders ?????Norman Foley;91795 said:
Wake up. There aren't exactly LEGIONS of "HUSKYBOTS" lining up at the doorsteps of the FEW dealers that exist in the USA. I must be a moron, but in my simplistic way of looking at things... the more Huskys being ridden... the more FUTURE Huskys being SOLD****************************************
Norman Foley
Husqvarna
Pro Class
Krieg,
I guess we will just agree to disagree, but I think I suggested a reasonable solution. I suggest you talk to the Husky Dealers you have bought bikes from and see how they feel about it.
I want to see Husky, Husky Dealers and Motosportz succeed, so I hope this is resolved.
Norman
I guess we will just agree to disagree, but I think I suggested a reasonable solution. I suggest you talk to the Husky Dealers you have bought bikes from and see how they feel about it.
I want to see Husky, Husky Dealers and Motosportz succeed, so I hope this is resolved.
Norman
krieg
Husqvarna
Pro Class
I respect you Norman. But we will have to disagree on this one. I routinely see Huskys advertised on the internet for ridiculous (WAAAAAAY below cost) pricing... by DEALERS. I could name them, but I won't because their names are already spattered across THIS forum and TT.
SO..... what is the difference between actual Husky dealers cutting each others' throats through capitalist competition versus what Kelly is doing? Errrrrr aside from the fact the Kelly is offering a premium product at an extremely enticing price (capitalism)??? I fully realize that capitalism is currently being demonized by the government and the media. But I STILL believe in it. YOU GO KELLY****************************************
SO..... what is the difference between actual Husky dealers cutting each others' throats through capitalist competition versus what Kelly is doing? Errrrrr aside from the fact the Kelly is offering a premium product at an extremely enticing price (capitalism)??? I fully realize that capitalism is currently being demonized by the government and the media. But I STILL believe in it. YOU GO KELLY****************************************
Tuffaluffaguss
Husqvarna
C Class
Norman Foley;91795 said:
That's interesting and makes me wish I was a lawyer (sort of)... I betcha there's a monster lawsuit that could be levied against dealers utilizing Ebay and Craigslist (both "businesses", which therefore means "second parties") as an outlet to sell bikes... Maybe PayPal could be roped in, too, seeing as how they often skim at least 3% off the top of purchases made over the internet...
Then, with all my pro Bono monies, I could start a band called U3 and buy me a fleet of Kell-uskies!
krieg;91802 said:
I don't think there are any naysayers or whiners here. Both raiserx251 and Norman brought up some good points, but I also have to agree with what Kelly posted. He has single-handedly brought a lot of riders into the fold. An impromptu poll of the 125 riders here would bear that out, I think. Dan at MotoXotica would not have sold me a 125 if Kelly had given up on the bike when it absolutely would not run when purchased new.
Norman Foley;91803 said:
Agreeing to disagree is not a bad thing, Norman
I, too, want to see Husky do well, and in turn all those that make their living via Husky.
WoodsChick
krieg
Husqvarna
Pro Class
WoodsChick;91808 said:I don't think there are any naysayers or whiners here. Both raiserx251 and Norman brought up some good points, but I also have to agree with what Kelly posted. He has single-handedly brought a lot of riders into the fold. An impromptu poll of the 125 riders here would bear that out, I think. Dan at MotoXotica would not have sold me a 125 if Kelly had given up on the bike when it absolutely would not run when purchased new.
Agreeing to disagree is not a bad thing, Norman
I, too, want to see Husky do well, and in turn all those that make their living via Husky. This post defines the word "moderate"... in a good and bad way.
WoodsChick
This post defines the word "moderate"... in a good and bad way.
Taking sides is sometimes necessary. I chose to take a side. The right side. I will not back down from that comment while still respecting the right of the opposition to oppose. I love this forum.
Darkside
Husqvarna
AA Class
This is a complicated situation. While I will continue to support my local dealer. Kelly has undoubtedly influenced many more prospective husky buyers. I certainly would be on a Husaberg by now if Kelly had not made such a great review on the new TXC 250. I think it is a matter of symantics, and I agree with Norman Foley as this should be advertised as a joint sale. Being a small business owner it is understandable the reactions of some dealers. You are adding competition to an already limited market, even through it is a market that you should get the most credit for promoting.
Philbilly
Husqvarna
AA Class
Kelly,
I appreciate and support you and every other individual that has put so much time and effort into GENUINELY helping others and this great bike and sport. Unfortunatley, there are some dealers and individuals that don't know there A$$ from a hole in the ground and often wonder why business is down! I have worked at a few dealerships in the past and decided to strike off on my own (not for the $$, but to do what I like and help people). Even in the down economy, I seem to always have customers-go wonder?! It's sorry that you have to defend what you are doing but that's what happens when you are on the "tip of the spear." Thanks for being there and if there is anything I can do on the east coast let me know-not that I'm a big shot or anything-LOL, just a retired Gunny that is doing what he enjoys!
I appreciate and support you and every other individual that has put so much time and effort into GENUINELY helping others and this great bike and sport. Unfortunatley, there are some dealers and individuals that don't know there A$$ from a hole in the ground and often wonder why business is down! I have worked at a few dealerships in the past and decided to strike off on my own (not for the $$, but to do what I like and help people). Even in the down economy, I seem to always have customers-go wonder?! It's sorry that you have to defend what you are doing but that's what happens when you are on the "tip of the spear." Thanks for being there and if there is anything I can do on the east coast let me know-not that I'm a big shot or anything-LOL, just a retired Gunny that is doing what he enjoys!
We have not sold one bike so no "laws" (which are actually agreements) have been broken. We are discussing this issue. It's unfortunate. Thanks for the responses in support and objection. There is a lot I could say but am just going to let it be while we ponder this.
Motosportz will be out of the office today.
Thanks.
Motosportz will be out of the office today.
Thanks.
Dirty Bikes
Husqvarna
A Class
Great suggestion.Norman Foley;91795 said:
Joe Chod
Husqvarna
Pro Class
I see it as someone else said "Saleen Mustangs". Kinda same as Kevin Hines did with Honda CR's to make Honda CRE's here 15 years ago.
As long as it's not doing what some of the forementioned flea bay crap hats are doing...cool. possibly do through the local dealer as speacial order....same as ATK sold there bikes...options for customer should not be for cars only and proprietary to Detroit.
Motosportz special Edition is cool.....Kelly, wouldn't it be cool to have one with "M" front fender sticker like the Dick Burleson replica sticker show up for sick $$ on some classified 20 years from now!?
Good thing in my mind though.
But, I do slightly disagree with the Husky hard parts.....
Really does stink that my dealer whom I am as faithful as a hound dog too cannot get some things I want as thay are on backorder and other non dealers have them. I will give your a well deserved alibi on the elusive 144 kit as it "goes" with the 125 special edition concept, but not on stuff like shrouds and side panels. I understand you want to facilitate a convenient Husky 1 stop shop (and that is cool....really...I know you are not trying to create a monopoly....just good customer service) but I guess this is really an issue ay Husky HQ. No one can fault the forementioned "agreements" if they are not being followed from the top (except to fault the top)
"Turn key tiddlers" .....sounds like a business name. Good to pass on the hard lessons learned on what is the best dirt bike ever made.
Joe
As long as it's not doing what some of the forementioned flea bay crap hats are doing...cool. possibly do through the local dealer as speacial order....same as ATK sold there bikes...options for customer should not be for cars only and proprietary to Detroit.
Motosportz special Edition is cool.....Kelly, wouldn't it be cool to have one with "M" front fender sticker like the Dick Burleson replica sticker show up for sick $$ on some classified 20 years from now!?
Good thing in my mind though.
But, I do slightly disagree with the Husky hard parts.....
Really does stink that my dealer whom I am as faithful as a hound dog too cannot get some things I want as thay are on backorder and other non dealers have them. I will give your a well deserved alibi on the elusive 144 kit as it "goes" with the 125 special edition concept, but not on stuff like shrouds and side panels. I understand you want to facilitate a convenient Husky 1 stop shop (and that is cool....really...I know you are not trying to create a monopoly....just good customer service) but I guess this is really an issue ay Husky HQ. No one can fault the forementioned "agreements" if they are not being followed from the top (except to fault the top)
"Turn key tiddlers" .....sounds like a business name. Good to pass on the hard lessons learned on what is the best dirt bike ever made.
Joe
raisrx251
Husqvarna
AA Class
Whew Hew, so does anyone think Juha will ride the new Hybrid bike at the next EWC?
Seriously, I did not know you were being black listed or even dealers were upset with you when I wrote this. You say you spoke to High up people at Husky well then the dealers should have a problem with Husky and not you. I knew what the reaction would be and will be as well as the outcome when I started this. I probably already know what Krieg will purchase next (just kidding Krieg, count to 10 before replying).
The truth is Yes you have sold a lot of bikes but I think most of us on here do the same thing. To say that you are entitled to make some money on selling a few bikes, isn't that what your aftermarket accessories is doing? I have been on the same brand since 1992 and I know there are a lot of others on here that have been Husky riders longer. I have even resorted to tactics as "I would really like to try out your KTM today" so the person has to ride my Husky.
The problem I see is you are already showing a price for a stock bike that dealers were offered this the day you posted it. I think you have a good idea as far as modifying a bike to sell but the grey area is you listing the price of a stock bike and the dealer not selling it for you. If you think that it is not hurting anyone you are sadly mistaken. What is keeping me from selling new bikes for my dealer then out of my home. Where does Husqvarna draw the line? I actually have a motorcycle wholesale license, (just in case people think I do not know what is involved in a dealer agreement). I am not saying to give up on your idea, I just think you will have to do it another way. I want to see the brand and people who support it thrive as well. This is why I am kind of shocked at the double standard on here. Honestly it is none of my business as I am simply a customer and I was just trying to explain to you that I think it is stepping over the line. To the other people you can call me names all you want and stomp on the ground, the point is it is I don't think is good for the brand. It is not my place to say and I am going to step left and out of this. You have maybe 10 dealers who read this site out of 60 so you have about 50 that do not even know about this right now.
To the people that think there is nothing wrong with this: If you have a Husky dealer you don't buy the bikes from, you get angry that he does not have the small $25.00 or less parts in stock so you don't order the parts from, how is he going to keep the doors open? Why would anyone sign a lease on a building, get hit with insurance, pay liability, and raise the capital to qualify for GE financing? Granted I know this is 2-3 bikes as explained now but how is Husky dealer going to grow that way? Now think about having a small struggling Husky dealer near you. Husky sells him a few bikes that he has to pay flooring on, sells a few but still has some on the floor paying interest. Husky offers a deep discount on some remaining bikes and instead of losing $200-$300 he can make $200-$300 or balance out his losses to do it again next year. Don't you think this is a time when a Husky dealer can decide what to discount for? If Husqvarna plays this right and lets the dealers grow they will get stronger and have more knowledge and grow with the brand. Husqvarna can fill in areas that are needed and build the brand to capitalize on market share. If we resort to non-dealers selling then the dealers that do exist stay small and weak while a few dealers just become wholesalers. Not sure if you all are aware of this but most dealers are not the most healthy people around. Most of them don't sleep well knowing what needs to be sold and what they owe, who is stealing from them, the list goes on. Oh yeah and work 6 days a week and how everyone comes in while lunch/dinner is served. It is really the same thing as far as dealers selling new bikes on ebay in my opinion but they are dealers. That is between the dealers and Husky. You very boldly started a business selling aftermarket accessories for a brand that is one of the smallest but has the most potential to make a comeback. This could have been Coffee or anyone on here who is not a dealer and I would have felt the same way. I actually like the idea of a Motosportz modified bike to offer for a dealer to sell. I think of the word few to mean 2 to 3, a small pile means more than 2 to 3. The number does not really matter as like any good businessman if they sold you would want to do more. I understand that you do a lot for the brand and your dealer. To say that you should be rewarded for this by selling bikes I do not get. I thought you were selling aftermarket parts and talking about them on a web forum. If you do a magazine article is it not going to have Motosportz accessories on it? So isn't this going to drive customers your way as well to Husky?
Again I appreciate all you do and am sorry I had to play the Devils advocate here. I knew it bothered me personally for this brand. Maybe that is the problem. You can gather all the names of referrals you want but the truth of it all is there would not have been any Husky's around when you discovered this brand if it weren't for the dealers. I will be the first to say this does not involve me and it really involves you and Husky. I am not jealous and far from it. I really want to see you succeed. I just think you already have a good business model. (Hi Krieg!) By the way Saleen mustangs were sold at a Ford dealers.
Seriously, I did not know you were being black listed or even dealers were upset with you when I wrote this. You say you spoke to High up people at Husky well then the dealers should have a problem with Husky and not you. I knew what the reaction would be and will be as well as the outcome when I started this. I probably already know what Krieg will purchase next (just kidding Krieg, count to 10 before replying).
The truth is Yes you have sold a lot of bikes but I think most of us on here do the same thing. To say that you are entitled to make some money on selling a few bikes, isn't that what your aftermarket accessories is doing? I have been on the same brand since 1992 and I know there are a lot of others on here that have been Husky riders longer. I have even resorted to tactics as "I would really like to try out your KTM today" so the person has to ride my Husky.
The problem I see is you are already showing a price for a stock bike that dealers were offered this the day you posted it. I think you have a good idea as far as modifying a bike to sell but the grey area is you listing the price of a stock bike and the dealer not selling it for you. If you think that it is not hurting anyone you are sadly mistaken. What is keeping me from selling new bikes for my dealer then out of my home. Where does Husqvarna draw the line? I actually have a motorcycle wholesale license, (just in case people think I do not know what is involved in a dealer agreement). I am not saying to give up on your idea, I just think you will have to do it another way. I want to see the brand and people who support it thrive as well. This is why I am kind of shocked at the double standard on here. Honestly it is none of my business as I am simply a customer and I was just trying to explain to you that I think it is stepping over the line. To the other people you can call me names all you want and stomp on the ground, the point is it is I don't think is good for the brand. It is not my place to say and I am going to step left and out of this. You have maybe 10 dealers who read this site out of 60 so you have about 50 that do not even know about this right now.
To the people that think there is nothing wrong with this: If you have a Husky dealer you don't buy the bikes from, you get angry that he does not have the small $25.00 or less parts in stock so you don't order the parts from, how is he going to keep the doors open? Why would anyone sign a lease on a building, get hit with insurance, pay liability, and raise the capital to qualify for GE financing? Granted I know this is 2-3 bikes as explained now but how is Husky dealer going to grow that way? Now think about having a small struggling Husky dealer near you. Husky sells him a few bikes that he has to pay flooring on, sells a few but still has some on the floor paying interest. Husky offers a deep discount on some remaining bikes and instead of losing $200-$300 he can make $200-$300 or balance out his losses to do it again next year. Don't you think this is a time when a Husky dealer can decide what to discount for? If Husqvarna plays this right and lets the dealers grow they will get stronger and have more knowledge and grow with the brand. Husqvarna can fill in areas that are needed and build the brand to capitalize on market share. If we resort to non-dealers selling then the dealers that do exist stay small and weak while a few dealers just become wholesalers. Not sure if you all are aware of this but most dealers are not the most healthy people around. Most of them don't sleep well knowing what needs to be sold and what they owe, who is stealing from them, the list goes on. Oh yeah and work 6 days a week and how everyone comes in while lunch/dinner is served. It is really the same thing as far as dealers selling new bikes on ebay in my opinion but they are dealers. That is between the dealers and Husky. You very boldly started a business selling aftermarket accessories for a brand that is one of the smallest but has the most potential to make a comeback. This could have been Coffee or anyone on here who is not a dealer and I would have felt the same way. I actually like the idea of a Motosportz modified bike to offer for a dealer to sell. I think of the word few to mean 2 to 3, a small pile means more than 2 to 3. The number does not really matter as like any good businessman if they sold you would want to do more. I understand that you do a lot for the brand and your dealer. To say that you should be rewarded for this by selling bikes I do not get. I thought you were selling aftermarket parts and talking about them on a web forum. If you do a magazine article is it not going to have Motosportz accessories on it? So isn't this going to drive customers your way as well to Husky?
Again I appreciate all you do and am sorry I had to play the Devils advocate here. I knew it bothered me personally for this brand. Maybe that is the problem. You can gather all the names of referrals you want but the truth of it all is there would not have been any Husky's around when you discovered this brand if it weren't for the dealers. I will be the first to say this does not involve me and it really involves you and Husky. I am not jealous and far from it. I really want to see you succeed. I just think you already have a good business model. (Hi Krieg!) By the way Saleen mustangs were sold at a Ford dealers.
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