Mike-AK
Husqvarna
Pro Class
I still grease the sealing edges. Old habit I suppose. Should I not do that?
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Hi everyone,
As you all know, Coffee (Dean) passed away a couple of years ago. I am Dean's ex-wife's husband and happen to have spent my career in tech. Over the years, I occasionally helped Dean with various tech issues.
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Over the past couple of weeks, I’ve been working to migrate the site to a free cloud compute instance so that Woodschick and Dirtdame no longer have to fund it. At the same time, I’ve updated the site to a current version of XenForo (the discussion software it runs on). The previous version was outdated and no longer supported.
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No Toil Air Filter Cleaner & Oil
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Husqvarna
I still grease the sealing edges. Old habit I suppose. Should I not do that?
JPinNC
Husqvarna
AA Class
Mike-AK
Husqvarna
Pro Class
UPDATE: No Toil ROCKS ! Ruined two air filters and they said, No Problemo... I'll send you two new ones. PERFECT!!!
Package arrives, I pull out two air filters and was stoked! Crumple up the bag they came in, and it wouldn't. Open it back up and there is a third filter in there!!
Now I'm impressed! I ruined two different brand filters, and they replace it with three no-toil filters. I mean, sure, I'll keep buying their product because they have good customer service, but now I'll tell everyone I can about them, because they went above and beyond!!! Thanks NoToil!!
That's good enough for me. Gonna order me some NOTOIL filters. I like doing business with customer oriented companies.
Blakelpd5
Husqvarna
Pro Class
I'm not sure. The filters didn't split until i cleaned them. It could be a combo. I also used REALLY, REALLY hot water, so throw that in the equation, and I don't know where I went wrong. Either way NO TOIL stepped up to the plate!
Logroller
Husqvarna
AA Class
Well, I got a delaminating Twin Air filter that has been cleaned and oiled with No Toil's alcohol based oil (red). I had not seen the issue before with any of my filters and the delaminating filter had been cleaned/oiled a few times without issue. I wrote to Twin Air and No Toil...here it comes...both Twin Air and No Toil are sending me replacement air filters for free.
Nice job Twin Air
Nice job No Toil
I have to share with the gang here on CafeHusky and with others (people on the trails) my experience with both companies, and they are positive experiences. Both companies have great customer service. They were quick to help. They were quick to offer a replacement and they did it all without fuss and for free, including shipping. What more can I say, other than Twin Air and No Toil know how to treat their customers and back their products. Note; given the knowledge (both companies are aware of the issue) of the No Toil (red - alcohol) oil issue with delaminating air filters, Twin Air did not have to step up replacing my filter.
Looks like No Toil Evolution oil (green and water based) is the way to go without worries about delamination. I have not used the green oil. It should also be noted that Twin Air carries a "Bio" oil which I have yet to use.
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IN NO WAY AM I AFFILIATED OR OTHERWISE WITH TWIN AIR AND NO TOIL COMPANIES. I'm just a customer sharing his experiences.
Nice job Twin Air
Nice job No Toil
I have to share with the gang here on CafeHusky and with others (people on the trails) my experience with both companies, and they are positive experiences. Both companies have great customer service. They were quick to help. They were quick to offer a replacement and they did it all without fuss and for free, including shipping. What more can I say, other than Twin Air and No Toil know how to treat their customers and back their products. Note; given the knowledge (both companies are aware of the issue) of the No Toil (red - alcohol) oil issue with delaminating air filters, Twin Air did not have to step up replacing my filter.
Looks like No Toil Evolution oil (green and water based) is the way to go without worries about delamination. I have not used the green oil. It should also be noted that Twin Air carries a "Bio" oil which I have yet to use.
IN NO WAY AM I AFFILIATED OR OTHERWISE WITH TWIN AIR AND NO TOIL COMPANIES. I'm just a customer sharing his experiences.
ray_ray
Mini-Sponsor
The green stuff ruined my filters and yes Notoil sent out new ones ... Now, you guys are saying the red formula is causing damage also? I've had no problems with the red formula to date ... but I'm gonna switch off this product stuff if the red formula ruins more filters ... Maybe these companies will continue to supply us with new filters for life? OK but I'm not looking for handouts due to a product that ruins perfectly good filters...
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These filters look simple enough to make ... Maybe I'll start making my own some how if I can find the foam material ...
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These filters look simple enough to make ... Maybe I'll start making my own some how if I can find the foam material ...
Logroller
Husqvarna
AA Class
Follow up. Twin Air and No Toil both came through with their promise of sending me a free air filter. Twin Air sent a non-pre-oiled filter and No Toil sent a pre-oiled filter.
My take on the two filters. I have used Twin Air air filters since I received the bike and if I'm not mistaken they are the stock brand air filter for the 2006 TE450. There truly is something to say about this filter as it is made to fit the air box lip (Rim - air box and filter contact point) perfectly . From the diameter to the poke out part (the filter rim is not round, but sort of oblong with a point near the bottom left). Twin Air has it all covered and again is made for the Husky air box.
As for No Toil, the filter is not as specific in design to fit the Te450 air box. It is more of a round filter lip without the rim oblong/point feature. The filter is also slightly smaller than the diameter of the air box metal lip and the inner circle lip (foam part that contacts the air box lip stick in to the air box) much larger than the Twin Air. Not sure how this last feature plays in to things, but it might actually reduce air flow some. In addition, as the filter is not a perfect fit to the air box rim, grease if definitely needed to create a good seal. As for the Twin Air, I believe they state that rim grease is not needed, although I still use a little (much less than I would with the No Toil.
Both products seem to be pretty good, and while I will use the No Toil filter for a while I do prefer the Twin Air for better fitment. I am going to start using No Toil's Evolution (water based) oil moving forward.
My take on the two filters. I have used Twin Air air filters since I received the bike and if I'm not mistaken they are the stock brand air filter for the 2006 TE450. There truly is something to say about this filter as it is made to fit the air box lip (Rim - air box and filter contact point) perfectly . From the diameter to the poke out part (the filter rim is not round, but sort of oblong with a point near the bottom left). Twin Air has it all covered and again is made for the Husky air box.
As for No Toil, the filter is not as specific in design to fit the Te450 air box. It is more of a round filter lip without the rim oblong/point feature. The filter is also slightly smaller than the diameter of the air box metal lip and the inner circle lip (foam part that contacts the air box lip stick in to the air box) much larger than the Twin Air. Not sure how this last feature plays in to things, but it might actually reduce air flow some. In addition, as the filter is not a perfect fit to the air box rim, grease if definitely needed to create a good seal. As for the Twin Air, I believe they state that rim grease is not needed, although I still use a little (much less than I would with the No Toil.
Both products seem to be pretty good, and while I will use the No Toil filter for a while I do prefer the Twin Air for better fitment. I am going to start using No Toil's Evolution (water based) oil moving forward.
I too am a greaser....really really really dont want any dirt in my engine, and an extra seal on the seal makes sense to me.
I used to grease, stopped many years ago no issue, clean airbox / less mess to clean up.
Zomby woof
Husqvarna
Pro Class
Same here.
My filters are usually stuck pretty good to the flange, so I'm thinking it's sealed up pretty good.
I'm tired of replacing foam filters. My 2011 bike is almost new and I plan to keep it for a long time, so I'm going to spring for a K&N, and it will be the last filter I buy. Bonus is that you can also use Notoil on them too.
My filters are usually stuck pretty good to the flange, so I'm thinking it's sealed up pretty good.
I'm tired of replacing foam filters. My 2011 bike is almost new and I plan to keep it for a long time, so I'm going to spring for a K&N, and it will be the last filter I buy. Bonus is that you can also use Notoil on them too.
I personally think the K&N filters are not a good idea. I hear of all sorts of issues and passing dust. A oil foam filter is really hard to beat IMHO.
Zomby woof
Husqvarna
Pro Class
I hear lot's of opinions, but personally don't know of anybody who's ever had a problem.
What I do know is that I've used them in my street and race cars for over 20 years, and both my vintage Can-am's still have their original K&N filters and standard bores. How many 30+ year old filters (not to mention standard bores) do you regularly see?
They were OE on all Can-am's then, and of all the issues they may have had, filter related engine wear or failures has never been one of them.
Oiled foam or oiled cotton. I don't see a big difference. Like I do with foam, though, I will use a prefilter in really dusty conditions.
What I do know is that I've used them in my street and race cars for over 20 years, and both my vintage Can-am's still have their original K&N filters and standard bores. How many 30+ year old filters (not to mention standard bores) do you regularly see?
They were OE on all Can-am's then, and of all the issues they may have had, filter related engine wear or failures has never been one of them.
Oiled foam or oiled cotton. I don't see a big difference. Like I do with foam, though, I will use a prefilter in really dusty conditions.
Logroller
Husqvarna
AA Class
I have not used K&N air filters in dirty motos. My take on the K&N is they work best when dirtied up a little. Meaning, once charged with the correct fluid, they need some dirt in them to work properly. I know it sounds weird. Or course too much dirt (clogged) isn't any good as well. I've had K&N in my GSXR750 for years and have nothing bad to say about it, but I also haven't done a full analysis (air flow, engine grime/dirt, power, etc). Perhaps the air filter debate is the same as the oil filter debate when it comes to good flow and collecting debris. I know with the newer Huskies, for example the 2011 TE449, a K&N might be a good option as they do not have your typical dirt bike air box setup.