• Hi everyone,

    As you all know, Coffee (Dean) passed away a couple of years ago. I am Dean's ex-wife's husband and happen to have spent my career in tech. Over the years, I occasionally helped Dean with various tech issues.

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Push button starts on current two strokes

I need to throw this out there.....we moto heads are stuck in such old school thinking.....how many vehicles racing or not have manual starting capability.......... not since the hand crank 1920s have 4 wheelers had that capability....street motos e start only, I think my 1979 model Kaw 1000 was around the last year of kick and e start.
if its done right (that is the caveat) there really is no need for a kickstarter.

PS estart is a proper part to any vehicle.
PS IMHO Beta has engineered theirs correctly, Ive been using a couple different Beta 300s lately. Under the engine does sound strange, but when you think about 2 stoke config its the best solution for central location with no interference with functioning parts of the powerplant and without that hanging off the side afterthought set up of other machines (read KTM). Think 4T and most mount it under the carb behind the cylinder good central location, but with 2T case reed assy is located there....same plane of location is directly under that spot on the other side of the gear box, Betas answer to positioning the starter centrally and low in this case. Could have mounted it up front under the exhaust as well, that puts starter motor weight fwd of mass center....lots to think about. IMHO Beta's process is very sound and logical, a very good engineering solution and execution.

I remember only a few years back us motoheads went nuts over the idea of FI on dirtbikes........
 
After working on a number of FI dirtbikes, I can't say I'm enthused about owning one of those myself...
I personally love my E-start, it works great, what I do have a problem with is with the search for weight savings the little underpowered batteries we tend to use can cause issues. I like a bike that will run without that battery if need be, simplicity is key for a bike that's abused the way dirt bikes get abused.
 
robertaccio said:
I need to throw this out there.....we moto heads are stuck in such old school thinking.....how many vehicles racing or not have manual starting capability.......... not since the hand crank 1920s have 4 wheelers had that capability....street motos e start only, I think my 1979 model Kaw 1000 was around the last year of kick and e start.
if its done right (that is the caveat) there really is no need for a kickstarter.

PS estart is a proper part to any vehicle.
PS IMHO Beta has engineered theirs correctly, Ive been using a couple different Beta 300s lately. Under the engine does sound strange, but when you think about 2 stoke config its the best solution for central location with no interference with functioning parts of the powerplant and without that hanging off the side afterthought set up of other machines (read KTM). Think 4T and most mount it under the carb behind the cylinder good central location, but with 2T case reed assy is located there....same plane of location is directly under that spot on the other side of the gear box, Betas answer to positioning the starter centrally and low in this case. Could have mounted it up front under the exhaust as well, that puts starter motor weight fwd of mass center....lots to think about. IMHO Beta's process is very sound and logical, a very good engineering solution and execution.

I remember only a few years back us motoheads went nuts over the idea of FI on dirtbikes........
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Have to disagree on the kick starter not needed part.

Why would you not have a known, tried and true, trusted back up for the e-start?

The comparison to cars is not relevant as most car miles are racked up on roads where help is just a phone call away, or even at the next corner repair station. Your car fails to start, no big deal.

And the additional weight of a kick start system is not a valid concern, the added weight of the kick start components are negligible.

The failure of an e-start system, and it will fail, no matter how reliable it is, it will fail for some users at some point, that inevitable failure can ruin an otherwise good day.

20 miles out in the mountains and my e-start fails. Battery goes dead, whatever.

No kick start backup? No thanks.
 
Woods---- i relent a bit but with my disclaimer Im covered (haha)
fact is that my 2013 starter is on the blink again.......if not for the Kick start I would have been pushing and bump starting my bike the other day............. like i said if they/the oems "get it right".
If not for kick start, I would have DNFd at least one race in recent memory.
not for this thread but my 13 TXC310R has been a POS in regards to estart from day 1, piss freakin poor and complaint worthy, my 2011 TE310 has been 99% fine.

and you are correct at this point, estart is not bullet prooof in the current offroad moto community. again I personally have not had great luck with my estart machines....Im just trying to be forward thinking.
both is better Im with you on that, but I still stand by that in this current level of tech we should not need to have a manual starter....nowhere else..well ok chainsaws, lawmower internal cumbustion motors have manual starts... (there are more Im sure) nowhere else in the auto motive world..do we have cranks etc. On my 04 TC450 I added the TE450 kick assy.

And when talking 4 wheels my thought process was in the offroad racing arena-- baja, Dakar rallys and of the off road type stuff where dirt,mud, big vibes and g forces are on the vehicle.

"if its done right (that is the caveat) there really is no need for a kickstarter" that is my disclaimer......
 
My 2006 Husky TE 510 with a button has worked every time I ever pushed the button I have never touched the starter never open it up never did any service work to it so I will say you guys want a ebutton starter put a Husky 510 starter on your bike

As for my 2 stroke Husky it does not need a button it starts so easy with a kick I do have a button on it to kill it
 
my 08 TXC450, 06 TE450 and the 11 TE310 all were perfect for e start..the 13 has been a MF, just finished trouble shoot another bad start solenoid this the second one and 13 isnt even over yet. but these aint 2Ts we have strayed from the title y-all!!
 
woodsrider said:
Have to disagree on the kick starter not needed part.

Why would you not have a known, tried and true, trusted back up for the e-start?

The comparison to cars is not relevant as most car miles are racked up on roads where help is just a phone call away, or even at the next corner repair station. Your car fails to start, no big deal.

And the additional weight of a kick start system is not a valid concern, the added weight of the kick start components are negligible.

The failure of an e-start system, and it will fail, no matter how reliable it is, it will fail for some users at some point, that inevitable failure can ruin an otherwise good day.

20 miles out in the mountains and my e-start fails. Battery goes dead, whatever.

No kick start backup? No thanks.
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Not all kick starters are reliable units, I had a honda XR 250 that failed 3 times and also caused collateral damage as well. I would have rather had an estart only on that bike it would have literally saved me thousands in parts not to mention the labor.
 
The new Sherco 300 2T is a gorgeous bike but they are the first 2T manufacturer to produce an e-start only bike...big gamble for a boutique manufacturer!!
Whether the Sherco is as good as the Beta starter unit, if the average trail rider doesn't hook the french bike to a battery tender and that battery drains...damn tiring pushing a bike:confused:
 
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