• Hi everyone,

    As you all know, Coffee (Dean) passed away a couple of years ago. I am Dean's ex-wife's husband and happen to have spent my career in tech. Over the years, I occasionally helped Dean with various tech issues.

    When he passed, I worked with his kids to gather the necessary credentials to keep this site running. Since then (and for however long they worked with Coffee), Woodschick and Dirtdame have been maintaining the site and covering the costs. Without their hard work and financial support, CafeHusky would have been lost.

    Over the past couple of weeks, I’ve been working to migrate the site to a free cloud compute instance so that Woodschick and Dirtdame no longer have to fund it. At the same time, I’ve updated the site to a current version of XenForo (the discussion software it runs on). The previous version was outdated and no longer supported.

    Unfortunately, the new software version doesn’t support importing the old site’s styles, so for now, you’ll see the XenForo default style. This may change over time.

    Coffee didn’t document the work he did on the site, so I’ve been digging through the old setup to understand how everything was running. There may still be things I’ve missed. One known issue is that email functionality is not yet working on the new site, but I hope to resolve this over time.

    Thanks for your patience and support!

Shinko 216MX.....unabashed GT216AA clone.

Read the previous posts. My rear mousse is on its third tire. I took pictures of it after removal and during the rear tire change on Friday. It has absolutely no damage since last November and Zero degradation. It will last for some time I'm sure.

I only changed the front mousse to try out the Nitro Mousses from Nuetech because they say they have a more lively feel to them, Not the common dull, dead feel that is common to the Michelin Mousses or other brands, which I had experienced first hand. After riding yesterday 185 miles and approximately 80+ or more of that distance at 55 to 65 mph on pavement. I can say the Nitro Mousse feels very neutral on the high speed dirt roads with the Shinko 216 MX Fat tire. Much better than the GT216 DST with the Michelin mousse I had on there the last 9+ months.

It was removed after 80 hours and since I was changing the tire I just wanted to look at it.

The front had not been opened up and re-lubed since last November either. It had no surface scuffs, holes, heat abrasions of any kind whatsoever. Surface was in perfect condition, the only indentations on its surface were ridges from the inside of the tires carcass and a small recess from the rim lock. After a good rinsing off and sitting out all day in the sun any shrinkage it appeared to have and it looking like it was distorted to the shape of the inside of the tire it was in had been in was no longer noticeable.

It will be getting installed in my G450X.

Here's a few pictures below of both tires after breaking them in with 80 miles of that on pavement and another 100+ miles on high speed 2 track trails and dirt roads.

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I used all of your advice 3 years ago. I did a year test then with Michelin Mousses, Metzeler Unicross Tires and using a lot of Murphy's Tire Soap. My intent was a bombproof setup for a season and I used a slightly imperfect setup just to see what might happen. I only rode a few miles total on pavement that year. 20 miles max. In the end they lasted a year but rear tire had exposed chords on the inside and any more use could have been dangerous. I have to say the initial fit was probably not entirely good as the Unicross tires may have been a slightly larger volume, even at 90/90-120/90 sizing. Front actually was OK but after the season/year exhibited what might be expected by heat, chafing, etc... To me pavement use and hard accelerations just are things one might want to avoid and this is backed up by people I know who use them in front but not necessarily in the rear and are placing racers in Baja.

http://www.cafehusky.com/threads/mousse-testing.82511/#post-558959

In any case I am willing to give them a go now. Going to buy the Enforce and first mount my new/unused 1 year old Michelin Mousses in my Pirelli Scorpion Pros for the fall as they have some miles left but also want to try a Fatty and appropriate mousse in front and same on the rear. I expect, by the reports here, that the Enforce will prove much better than the Murphy's and a better tighter fit of the mousse should mean less heat and less tire breakdown. I still wouldn't mount them if I planned on much pavement use, but that's just because I have see what can happen when a tire begins to come apart from within.
 
I get about 3 tires per mousse, relubing only w each change. Mousse looks almost new after the third time but smaller. I could probably use it a couple more times but retire it for sectioning.
 
Got a chance to really test the Shinko this weekend. We are checking the condition of the race course (my loop) and laying some spot ribbon. It feels exactly like it should. We were not bombing it, but the loop has a bit of everything. I can't tell the difference at all. It's that good.

We have them on the website now, along with the 505 cheater and another front I personally haven't seen, the MX 51.

https://ziptyracing.com/products/shinko-90-100-21-fat-tyre-216x
 
well, I gotta admit that until Robert pointed it out- I did not know that shinko==yokohama. OTOH, Dirtdame wrote the same thing about 7 years ago... so I guess this "news" is old.

Loving my 505 cheater too. I'm replacing my worn GT fatty with a VE35. I like the GT but it's expensive for a front. and heavy at 10+lbs
 
From what I've been told from a source I can not name. Shinko owned the molds that GT were made in. Shit went south between the 2. about the time GT changed there compounds so.... so enter the 505 and 525 cheater tires and the 216 fatty. Shinko is using their own compound now which preforms very well.
it is one of the softest compounds I have seen for a dirt bike.
 
I just pulled the Shinko 216 off the front and put one of my serviceable GT216 Goldentyres back on.
The Shinko side knobs were blown off it's trashed. I noticed that the Shinko sidewall was quite a bit softer than the 2 ply GT216AA. off the bike I can push my finger into the Shinko but the GT216 2 ply is much harder. My rear is still the Shinko 216 SX super soft, which I will blow off this in this weekend's race. both are moussed.
 
We did some back to back testing and liked the Goldentyre noticeably better. Better hookup and cornering feel. I am loving the Goldentyre 333 rear. Super versatile. Last very wet nasty ride the 333 was getting up some nasty slop root infested gnar the 505 struggled with. Its a good tire but I'm personally sticking with the 333 rear.
 
Shinko is Japanese owned and designed and made in Korea. They also make tyres for Continental such as the TKC80 (they also make their own 90% copy).
 
I just did 40 ks on a shinko 525 cheater - its looking a bit worst for wear already. A few knobs ripped . The standard 525 is probably a better option. I had one before and it was hooking up good.
 
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