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SMR 449/511 - Model Specific upgrades and modifications

How do you rate your Suter Caiman? Install and function?
I am looking at a slipper for my next upgrade just tossing up between the Suter and an STM.
 
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Super5onic88 said:
How do you rate your Suter Caiman? Install and function?
I am looking at a slipper for my next upgrade just tossing up between the Suter and an STM.
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Smooth, nothing like going from 4th to first with zero clutch feathering, just dump the fcker and the rear wheel glides along, no hopping. I have a few issues which may or not be clutch related (nothing major, just niggles), but I haven't got access to a bike without a slipper clutch to test.

As to STM or Suter, get whichever's cheaper/easier to get a hold of, these days they're much of a muchness.
 
Instead of spending $100 on a lever, I 1000% recommend saving up for an RCS 15 M/C w- short lever. Once you've tried one, the OEM master will always feel like a let down. I've converted several mates onto them and there's zero complaints from any of them, both on supermoto (RCS15) and sports bikes (RCS19).
 
The angle of the banjo fitting at the master is different so a new line is necessary ($72ish delivered from HEL), and yes you can buy (bit exxy for what it is) mirror mounts for the RCS masters. I run bar mount mirrors so this didn't bother me.
 
Caiman said:
The angle of the banjo fitting at the master is different
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A chap I used to have supermoto-trips with installed a radial MC on his 610 without replacing the line: he used an adapter like this (this one in the photo is for twin calipers brakes, but there are adapters for single caliper systems, too):
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The price is about 10 or 15 € here, exluding the hydrostop.
 
Super5onic88 said:
How do you rate your Suter Caiman? Install and function?
I am looking at a slipper for my next upgrade just tossing up between the Suter and an STM.
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This is how well my Suter did after 40hr on the track. I called them and they said that could be normal?!?!?!? but they did send me a new spring. I'm a bit reluctant to put it back in next season for supermoto because had I not caught it those spring pieces would have made their way into my engine. Pretty expensive clutch to just grenade like that.

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That's not good, 90h of mixed use on mine, might have to give it a look over. Getting the main nut off that sporting will be a pain, red loctite sucks!
 
R. Stephen said:
This is how well my Suter did after 40hr on the track. I called them and they said that could be normal?!?!?!? but they did send me a new spring. I'm a bit reluctant to put it back in next season for supermoto because had I not caught it those spring pieces would have made their way into my engine. Pretty expensive clutch to just grenade like that.
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That makes me nervous... guess i better use my winter brake for having a look at that!
 
Yeah, I was told they went back through and double checked their design and fatigue life on the spring to be sure it wasn't a defect. When originally installing it I also had an issue with the outer plate for the throw out bearing being mis-machined and they had to send me a new one of those as well. Last year they were the only company with a slipper for these bikes so my hands were tired. Either run a Suter on no slipper at all. Fingers crossed no issues in the future. I did not run the clutch in my ice bike in fear of putting to many hour on delicate clutch.

Caiman a battery powered impact gun works wonders for removing that nut. They want red loctite on everything when putting that in.
 
No idea...... Might have to go to a heavier spring but that begins to defeat the purpose of the slipper then if the spring is so heavy it does not slip much. I'm really hoping it was a material defect or a fluke.. Suter is known to have good products but I don't think there are many of these clutches in use to know if it was just mine or all of them.
 
The STM seems to be about $300-400 more but I'm told they are more fiddley to adjust and need a special tool that costs extra.
 
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