TE/TC te300 suspension

[56on449]

I have just started to adjust my clickers. I'm about 170lbs in the morning before breakfast and plus 35lbs geared up = 205 ready to ride. I was told that the stock springs will be OK and the new 4cs forks should be able to be adjusted with out re valving.

Started out using Comfort settings: 14 compression and 14 rebound. I have moved compression +2 to 16 this helped but still feels harsh to me. Next time out, I will start with 18 Compression and 18 Rebound and adjust from there.

My shock is set at H.S. Compression 2 turns, L.S. Compression 20 clicks, Rebound 18 clicks. This seems fine, does not kick to much, but may to move rebound -2 to 16 to stop the kick in the butt on fast breaking bumps.

I am just wondering if anyone else has dialed in there stock suspension and have any advice on settings. I understand that this is a matter of preference, I am already spoiled, my Gas Gas 300xc was re valved and very plush.

Thanks in advance for any and all info.

 

[bikesparky]

These bikes are build for the 70 to max 80kg rider. No way it fits your weight without fitting some springs.
I'm 74 kg in t-shirt (150lbs) I do carry some tools and 3l of water and the rear spring is almost all the way up to get to the recommended sag.
However told you that the original springs will do 205 lbs should wash his mouth with soap!
If the sag is off it either doesn't turn in or is twitchy.

Did you set up the sag at the rear? That is the first step before the clickers!

 

[56on449]

These bikes are build for the 70 to max 80kg rider. No way it fits your weight without fitting some springs.
I'm 74 kg in t-shirt (150lbs) I do carry some tools and 3l of water and the rear spring is almost all the way up to get to the recommended sag.
However told you that the original springs will do 205 lbs should wash his mouth with soap!
If the sag is off it either doesn't turn in or is twitchy.

Did you set up the sag at the rear? That is the first step before the clickers!

Yes I set my sage to the recommended settings in owners manual: 30mm static and 100mm riders sage, with the additional riding weight. The bike handles fine and turns quick, and tracks great! The only problem is trying to get to run softer on the roots and rocks. The standard settings work quite well in the whoops but, too stiff for my old body to take any length of time. The manual sates that springs are good for 75 to 85 kilos (85x2.2=187lbs) which the dealer says is body weight before gear. I am a little skeptical of this statement. I will test out some softer settings. Thanks for your input.

 

[mkeeping]

Hello Everyone,

This is my first post. I just wanted to say that I think the manual is specifying the weight of the rider without gear on. I weigh 155-160 and the stock springs were to stiff for me to get the correct static sag when I had the rider sag set correctly. So I went down to the 5.2 spring and both static and rider sag are on the money.

 

[Tetley]

Yes I set my sage to the recommended settings in owners manual: 30mm static and 100mm riders sage, with the additional riding weight. The bike handles fine and turns quick, and tracks great! The only problem is trying to get to run softer on the roots and rocks. The standard settings work quite well in the whoops but, too stiff for my old body to take any length of time. The manual sates that springs are good for 75 to 85 kilos (85x2.2=187lbs) which the dealer says is body weight before gear. I am a little skeptical of this statement. I will test out some softer settings. Thanks for your input.

My 2016 manual states- 75 - 85KG, 165 - 187lbs with full protective clothing

 

[56on449]

My 2016 manual states- 75 - 85KG, 165 - 187lbs with full protective clothing

Yes, you are correct. I am not sure how I missed that! Of course I did not have the manual, till after I purchased the bike. It looks like new springs, so I might as well do a re valve while I am it.

Thanks for pointing that out, it will save me some frustration trying to make the present set up work.

 

[mkeeping]

My manual says to check your sag in protective gear but it talks about spring choice in a different Section and does not specify rider weight plus protective gear. It simply says rider weight. Based on my experience the spring choice table is not meant to include protective gear in the total.

 

[Trikk]

Yes, you are correct. I am not sure how I missed that! Of course I did not have the manual, till after I purchased the bike. It looks like new springs, so I might as well do a re valve while I am it.

Thanks for pointing that out, it will save me some frustration trying to make the present set up work.

Same bike and weight as you. Would be interested know who you go with for Revalve, and mostly what weight springs you end up with.

 

[56on449]

My manual says to check your sag in protective gear but it talks about spring choice in a different Section and does not specify rider weight plus protective gear. It simply says rider weight. Based on my experience the spring choice table is not meant to include protective gear in the total.

I have heard the same thing from one suspension tuner and will have to get a second opinion from another tuner, before I go ahead and change out the springs. Thanks for your input.

I had a quick ride this afternoon. It was a pretty mellow pace, with lots of leaves down, covering a lot of the roots and rocks.
New settings tested:

Forks:
Compression 18
Rebound 16 (I tried 18 but found it a little harsh)

Shock:
H.S. Comp. 2 turns
L.S. Comp 22
Rebound 18 Update -2= 16

I found this to be much more compliant. I have given up some stability and speed in the whoops, but have gained back some confidence in the single track. This probably would not work for some one riding at race pace but, for a recreational single track rider like myself, looking to ride longer, this may work, till I get south and get a re valve done.

I am planing to ride tomorrow afternoon and hopefully pick up the pace. I will see if this set up works at speed and do some more fine tuning. Just to clarify that would be at OLD GUY WANNABEE PACE.

 

[ajaxauto]

my weight is about 175 with out gear on I took all setting everything front and rear to full soft then one click toward hard I set the sag to about 1 inch. To tell you the truth it works ok I could race it like this. I pre ran the 100s National H&H a few times over the weekend and but it to the test. Now I will send it off to Zip Ty for the works If it works this well stock just think what it will be like when I get it back

 

[56on449]

Same bike and weight as you. Would be interested know who you go with for Revalve, and mostly what weight springs you end up with.

I am heading south to Arizona in a couple of weeks and will source a tuner when I get there. I need to do some more investigation and testing before I invest that kind of money. I will post up when I finally get this done.

In the mean time, I will keep on trying out different settings, trying to get a better feel for the bike. I rode today using the setting posted above and quickly added more rebound damping to the shock, now using 16 clicks. I found this to calm the bike down considerable. The only draw back is, I experienced some packing with consecutive hits. I did not ride as fast as planed, all the leaves down, where still freaking me out. I pretty much rode like a four legged animal that say's MEOW!

 

[ajaxauto]

If you are driving to Arizona you will be driving right past Zip Ty Racing you know the small Factory Husky support team race shop
Where one of there racers just won a WORC Champship and Won a AMA National H&H # 1 250 Pro class plate winning all 8 rounds of the serious
So I am sure he might just be able to do your bike to your liking.
My bike is headed there next week

 

[56on449]

If you are driving to Arizona you will be driving right past Zip Ty Racing you know the small Factory Husky support team race shop
Where one of there racers just won a WORC Champship and Won a AMA National H&H # 1 250 Pro class plate winning all 8 rounds of the serious
So I am sure he might just be able to do your bike to your liking.
My bike is headed there next week

Thanks for the info but, I think Zip Ty Racing is in California, we are traveling from Ontario, Canada. So that would be even further west than AZ. They are certainly qualified, but I think Stillwell Performance is also a good choice.
http://www.stillwellperformance.com/#4cs-experts They are conveniently located next to Wildcat OHV area, one of our regular riding areas. Good luck with your bike, I'm sure you will love it even more!

 

[ajaxauto]

Did not know how far east you were. Here in the Coachella Valley where I live we get all the snow birds from Canada all winter. My wife even looks after a few houses for some of our Canada friends during the summer. Any way most of them travel south down from Canada on Int 15 which goes right past Zip Ty racing. Then they get on Int 10 east to where I live. Then from here toward Az they stay on Int 10 east. The Az border is 90 miles from the Coachella Valley. You might want to check out some of our desert Racing depends where in Az you live

 

[56on449]

Did not know how far east you were. Here in the Coachella Valley where I live we get all the snow birds from Canada all winter. My wife even looks after a few houses for some of our Canada friends during the summer. Any way most of them travel south down from Canada on Int 15 which goes right past Zip Ty racing. Then they get on Int 10 east to where I live. Then from here toward Az they stay on Int 10 east. The Az border is 90 miles from the Coachella Valley. You might want to check out some of our desert Racing depends where in Az you live

Yes, most snow birds in AZ are from western Canada, most eastern snow birds go to Florida, but I don't like flat land and really don't want to hang out with a bunch of Blue Hairs, even thou I am practically a senior citizen myself.

I unfortunately live in the East Valley and ride in the North Valley where all the good single track is. I have never raced before, but may consider racing next spring, when I will be in the 60 and over class.

 

[ajaxauto]

Come over and check it out in cal for a weekend I am 59 and I So do not want to turn 60

 

[Huskynoobee]

There's some wicked fast guys over 60 out there. Some people I know are gonna have to lie about their age to do three loop races in the future.

 

[56on449]

Come over and check it out in cal for a weekend I am 59 and I So do not want to turn 60

Me neither, but if I don't, I would not have much time left to ride!

 

[gameover]

If you are driving to Arizona you will be driving right past Zip Ty Racing you know the small Factory Husky support team race shop
Where one of there racers just won a WORC Champship and Won a AMA National H&H # 1 250 Pro class plate winning all 8 rounds of the serious
So I am sure he might just be able to do your bike to your liking.
My bike is headed there next week

Pfff, unless you live in a commuting distance from them I would avoid them.

I initially had them revalve my 2015 TC250. It was way better than stock; however, it was not right. Too harsh, jumping between small bumps, not tracking right, etc....it was just not right. One day a local guy at the track had his 2015 ktm 250sx done by factory connection......GLORY. I rode it and was fascinated. Needless to say, I sent my ZipTy racing revalved 2015 TC250 suspension to Factory Connection for another revalve. ZipTy made my springs softer for both shock and forks. Factory connection used the stock springs. Well, in order for Factory Connection to redo my suspension they had to replace some parts inside the forks because apparently some holes were drilled somewhere. It cost me another $930 on top of the ~$650 I had dropped previously.

Moral of the story = FC > ZipTy; especially if you do not live at a driving commute to them for support.

 

[ggg]

My manual says to check your sag in protective gear but it talks about spring choice in a different Section and does not specify rider weight plus protective gear. It simply says rider weight. Based on my experience the spring choice table is not meant to include protective gear in the total.

rider weight is just that the rider on the bike ready to ride so for most its at least a helmet