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TE630 dyno results and thoughts

110/110/120 was with a full Leo. I think the stock and FMF flow a little less. My guess is 108/108/116 would have you in the ballpark with stock or FMF.

I have no experience w/ the Arrows, maybe someone will weigh in.


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I have here the Arrow Cans + ECU and I've ordered a 4.1 FMF + PC 5 + AutoTune. If -i - I have the time and money down the road, I'll try and get a dyno pull with both setups, but I'll need to find a dyno day where they're doing pulls on the cheap as it will be cost prohibitive otherwise...
 
SimpleOne said:
I have here the Arrow Cans + ECU and I've ordered a 4.1 FMF + PC 5 + AutoTune. If -i - I have the time and money down the road, I'll try and get a dyno pull with both setups, but I'll need to find a dyno day where they're doing pulls on the cheap as it will be cost prohibitive otherwise...
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I have the Arrow Cans + ECU and FMF 4.1 as well. Had the Arrows installed very briefly. Power was good, however, did not like the sound level vs. weight saved. I was thinking of going with the Arrow ECU and FMF combination for maximum weight savings and performance closer to Arrow duals. Now I am thinking the Arrow ECU may be too rich for the FMF setup. Have been running stock until I decide which way to go. FYI, I posted my earlier experience with both exhaust options here: http://www.cafehusky.com/threads/best-pipe-for-the-630.15644/page-9
 
DYNOBOB said:
110/110/120 was with a full Leo. I think the stock and FMF flow a little less. My guess is 108/108/116 would have you in the ballpark with stock or FMF.

I have no experience w/ the Arrows, maybe someone will weigh in.


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Thanks DYNOBOB for providing the dyno information and suggestion. I am in the process of ordering the iBeat cable and will definitely try this out.
 
God stuff thanks Jester. I was wondering what else the Arrow ECU does apart from fueling, i.e. does it have a more aggressive timing curve etc?
Dyno mapping fueling on the PC 5 should be able to resolve the issue of it running to rich with the FMF pipe.
 
SimpleOne said:
God stuff thanks Jester. I was wondering what else the Arrow ECU does apart from fueling, i.e. does it have a more aggressive timing curve etc?
Dyno mapping fueling on the PC 5 should be able to resolve the issue of it running to rich with the FMF pipe.
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I wonder what else the Arrows ECU does as well. Must adjust the timing. There was someone on here who said swapping out the TE ECU for the Arrows ECU made a big difference even with the stock pipes (and P/U kit/Baffle removal). I think I am going to try the FMF again. Will try it first with stock TE ECU and DYNOBOB's suggested settings. Will also try swapping in Arrows ECU to see if there is a noticeable difference. I will also check Arrows ECU/FMF combination with iBeat, though I am not really sure what that will reveal.
 
DYNOBOB said:
Yes.

This is my FMF pull last Nov vs. his LeoV pull. I should have put my bike on right after his to eliminate air as a variable. In any event I do believe the Leo is the better system (as it should be). It also reinforces my belief that the FMF flows pretty much the same as the stock exhaust. It will be interesting to see how our mpg compare...
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Old post here Bob but I'm wondering if you were ever able to compare fuel economy between the Leo and FMF equipped bikes?

While out in CO/UT last year my Leo equipped bike was providing better MPG than Dustin's FMF bike but we each had adjusted our fuel metering settings with a JD tuner through seat of the pants experimentation/knowledge.

After re-reading this thread you have me thinking that I should ditch the JD tuner and use the IBeat 110/110/120 setting you found favorable with your Leo testing.

I also have a FMF to install on my girlfriends SM630 and could just use the 108/108/116 ibeat setting instead of a JD tuner.
 
jester6i said:
I wonder what else the Arrows ECU does as well. Must adjust the timing. There was someone on here who said swapping out the TE ECU for the Arrows ECU made a big difference even with the stock pipes (and P/U kit/Baffle removal). I think I am going to try the FMF again. Will try it first with stock TE ECU and DYNOBOB's suggested settings. Will also try swapping in Arrows ECU to see if there is a noticeable difference. I will also check Arrows ECU/FMF combination with iBeat, though I am not really sure what that will reveal.
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Now that this thread has been dug up. What did you set for iBeat with your Arrow ECU and FMF combo? I have this set up and the bike surges slightly at lower rpms (I have spark arrestor installed in FMF).

Also, does anyone know if there is any difference in air flow between the different models of FMF pipes? All I know is mine's an FMF but I have no idea how to tell which one I have.
 
Fast1 said:
Old post here Bob but I'm wondering if you were ever able to compare fuel economy between the Leo and FMF equipped bikes?

While out in CO/UT last year my Leo equipped bike was providing better MPG than Dustin's FMF bike but we each had adjusted our fuel metering settings with a JD tuner through seat of the pants experimentation/knowledge.

After re-reading this thread you have me thinking that I should ditch the JD tuner and use the IBeat 110/110/120 setting you found favorable with your Leo testing.

I also have a FMF to install on my girlfriends SM630 and could just use the 108/108/116 ibeat setting instead of a JD tuner.
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Riding together for two weeks in CO/UT it appeared that Jim (Leo/iBeat) was consistently getting just a bit better mileage than me (FMF/PCV). Generally one or two tenths less gallons then me per fill up. He's also geared shorter (15/50 vs. 14/42) and I weigh 80lbs less... go figure


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DYNOBOB said:
Riding together for two weeks in CO/UT it appeared that Jim (Leo/iBeat) was consistently getting just a bit better mileage than me (FMF/PCV). Generally one or two tenths less gallons then me per fill up. He's also geared shorter (15/50 vs. 14/42) and I weigh 80lbs less... go figure
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Did you calculate mpg usage on any of those fillups? How does it compare to your mpg prior to any fueling system changes? Also prior to going closed loop? (I think it was you that resisted going power up mode for a good while)

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No, I've always run the PU kit (except for a couple dyno pulls). Before my PCV I saw 50-52mpg, with the PCV enrichment I've dropped to ~45-47mpg. Keep in mind I'm not a hair-on-fire rider like some of you guys. :)

MPG is what it is as far as I'm concerned... I'm not going to run my bike lean to get 52mpg.

The actual difference between his/my bike was never more than 1-2mpg max. (here's where we rode http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=941760 )


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DYNOBOB said:
No, I've always run the PU kit (except for a couple dyno pulls). Before my PCV I saw 50-52mpg, with the PCV enrichment I've dropped to ~45-47mpg. Keep in mind I'm not a hair-on-fire rider like some of you guys. :)

MPG is what it is as far as I'm concerned... I'm not going to run my bike lean to get 52mpg.

The actual difference between his/my bike was never more than 1-2mpg max. (here's where we rode http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=941760 )
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So about a 5mpg drop after enrichment. That is almost the same drop for me just I went from 40mpg to 35mpg. I'm not worried about mpg either and only track it as an indicator for other issues. Sure glad I have the Safari tank now as I'm not willing to feather the throttle to avoid gas stops.

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Just got back from a Death Valley rally and put about 300 miles on it in mixed terrain and didn't notice anything different for fuel use.

I put the iBeat plus 106/108/115 per Bob, de-cat stock exhaust and air baffle out, PU, otherwise stock. Runs much smoother with proper fueling. Otherwise not much difference - still getting mid to high 40's.

Thanks for all the good advice Bob!
 
Bob,

Did you also set the TPS and WOT % on Jim's 630 with the Leo? If so what WOT % did you set it at? Did you ever check your 630 WOT % setting and/or change it?

I've searched and have not found a definitive answer on this setting for the 630 thus the reason for asking.
 
Both of our bikes were close enough that I didn't mess w/ them. I think mine was 0 at idle and 103 at WOT. Prob worth checking again since I'm approaching 5000 miles now.


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CJBROWN said:
Everyone is spot on, I agree with all of these posts. Very intuitive bunch. The arrow ECU is set to richen for their pipes so the JD tuner just fine tunes it for max output.

The graph with PU only feels like what I get, my butt-dyno. Power is fine for what I want to do with the bike though, could not be happier. And it runs like a clock - easy start hot or cold, never a cough or sputter, does not overheat, just smooth power. But it does taper off after about 5300. I normally just keep it between 4K and 5500. It just works good there.

The bike is super lean as delivered to meet pollution regs, so you have to just know and expect that. KTM's are the same way - at least the carbed bikes are/were. Unfortunately there will be a few clueless individuals that will expect it to run perfectly as delivered and could possibly experienced a shortened engine life due to overheating. Oh well, eh? That's why god invented the internet. :D

The GS and XC are pigs in comparison for off-pavement, and both are a LOT more money. I just don't look at my TE and think, "Gee, why isn't it like a bmw or a triumph?" Although I am thinking about a Tiger 800 or a Super Tenere for a roading tourer for 2-up. Wifey is starting to come along and enjoying our time on the Versys. It's just a bit small for the two of us.

But all of this is why the Italian motor is no more. It just cannot be made to run efficiently enough to meet EU or US emission regs. So the BMW chinese rotax knock-off is what's coming. I doubt it will make any more power, and it will probably add at least 10 lbs. plus other ancillary doo-dads you know they'll tack on as well. Expect it to be 350lbs min. I keep watching for a new TE650 announcement. Looks like it's taking longer than we expected.


EDIT: On the two cans...I suspect they were looking for a balanced look and good flow with two cats. I've gutted mine and replaced the cats and silencer with SS perf pipe, glass wrapped. It dropped about 5lbs and sounds great, plus they are cool to the touch. Or you can spend a grand to drop 10 more lbs with vince's or arrows, or about half of that for a single fmf. I'm not unhappy with the modifed factory cans, they are well built and very nice looking, especially with the gun-sight husky logo molded into the outlet caps.
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Hey there, I'm new to the forum and new to a SMS630. I too like the look of the stock pipes and would be interested in modding them. Do you have a link to a DIY that you did on your pipes? My bike seems to run fine with the PU kit, but I would appreciate a little more from the pipes...thanks!
 
Newbie/lurker with SMS630 has read all EFI posts. Question for Bob and/or others: I modified my bike with P/U kit, removed air box maze and added some holes, and installed dual Jardine RT-94 mufflers with spark arrestor inserts in place of the cat equipped stockers. Elevation in Pittsburgh is 700-1400', a bit higher than Cincinnati. Dealer has iBeat but no dyno. Would it be safe to have them set to 108/108/116 along with TPS reset? Once the EFI is remapped, do you still use the P/U resistor, or put the O2 sensor back in and let the bike fine tune from there? Thanks
 
Settings yes. PU kit leave in - yes. O2 sensor no. ECU sensor will adjust for elevation and temp.

Really smooths out the motor and wakes up the bike on the top end. I'm just sorry I didn't do it a LOT sooner!
 
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