PC5 + Autotune + cool mufflers happening soon, will keep you posted.

Discussion in 'TR650' started by Motosportz, May 10, 2013.

  1. nev.. Terrarist

    Location:
    Greensborough, Australia
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    '13 TR650 Terra
    Other Motorcycles:
    '14 XT1200ZE
    I won't claim to be the expert in these matters, but from my understanding, the booster plug and the other plug just influence to enhance the behaviour of the bike using the factory EFI map by lying about the ambient temperature, while the Power commander will completely remap the EFI without any regard for the stock factory map.

    The understanding I have, is that bikes ship to different markets with slightly different factory maps, which might be tweaked a bit to get around local regulations. For example if a bike with the factory exhaust is too loud to get by a particular countries regulations, but the manufacturers know that the country will test for noise at a particular RPM range, at a particular distance, then the factory might ship to that country with a map which has a flat spot at or below the specified RPM range so that things don't get too noisy until higher up in the range. I believe this is the same for emissions, where EFI maps are designed to meet the local regulation, rather than produce the best outcome for the rider. It is in these instances that the Power commander will give the user a much better outcome because it will remove any flat spots in the graph without consideration for noise or emissions. The power commander will also deal much better with engine or exhaust modifications.

    If you're a bike modifier, or you really want to stretch the performance of the bike right out to the extremes, then the PC might be for you, but if you feel it isn't running quite right for you, and just needs a bit of a push in the right direction, then you'd probably get the result you want with one of the booster plug alternatives.
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  2. Tinken Husqvarna
    Pro Class

    Location:
    Hesperia, CA
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    MY12 WR511
    Other Motorcycles:
    Yamaha
    You get two, separate, completely independent maps which can be switched on the fly. Furthermore, a separate, independant map can be set up for each gear change as well.
  3. kjackbrown Keep on keepin on.

    Location:
    Fresno, Ca.
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    TR650 Terra
    Other Motorcycles:
    KLR650
    Think of it this way, you go to the bar one night with your friends and you meet a girl that is TOTALLY into you....

    -Scenario #1 (aka booster plug-ish options):
    You take her back to your place...things get heated...and just as YOU THINK your about to do the dirty deed, she tells you she needs $100 cash or else her "manager" outside your door is going to beat the hell out of you. Sure, you pay the pricebut you only get some brief satisfaction (sweet spots of the rpm range that these Bandaid mods address).

    -Scenario #2 (Power Commander V..with Auto Tune)
    You take her back to your place and she does things to every inch of your body (entire rpm range) that you only read about in certain publications! The next morning you wake up to an incredible breakfast (anything involving bacon) already prepared followed by an entire weekend of those unmentionables we just discussed. NOW HERE COMES THE INTERESTING PART(Auto Tune)......3 months later you get it in your head (paid off the credit card that you bought the PCV and AT with) that it would be a GREAT idea to bring your INCREDIBLY hot twin neighbors (think intake mod and exhaust mod) into the mix. So........after barely alluding to the idea over dinner in a nice restaurant she shouts out "Hey....I soooooooooooooooooooooo want to have a foursome with you and your twin neighbors !!!” Fast forward a year later and you’re living the life even Hugh Hefner would be envious of. Every month or so there is a new experience (mod) to your love life with her (Auto Tune/TR650) keeps adjusting your relationship to give you the most satisfying experience ever.

    Jusy sayin :cheers:
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  4. Allen Husqvarna
    AA Class

    Location:
    NYC
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    TR650 Terra
    Other Motorcycles:
    Honda NH750
    This should be the homepage of the PC website...

    It seems like the PCV without autotune would be for those few individuals who would only do the PCV mod and no exhaust intake etc. Is this right? It is just strange to me that they would sell them separate.
  5. kjackbrown Keep on keepin on.

    Location:
    Fresno, Ca.
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    TR650 Terra
    Other Motorcycles:
    KLR650
    You are correct. Also, dyno time to custom tune the PCV can be expensive...and if you are modding your ride often, it can get uber expensive! Some people just want to fix the lean spots and only require the PCV and some are out to maximize the performance of their machines.
  6. Tinken Husqvarna
    Pro Class

    Location:
    Hesperia, CA
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    MY12 WR511
    Other Motorcycles:
    Yamaha
    Using the PCV by itself is more a racing application where you have maps set for different altitudes. However, the auto-tune will only function in map setting #1, #2 is a stationary map.
  7. Dyno Dan Husqvarna
    B Class

    Location:
    SW Montana
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    TR650 Terra
    Good catch, I looked at the date the "690 SMC" run was made, and it was in 2008. As I'm sure you know the 2008-2011 KTM 690's were 654cc's, while the '12+ was truly 690cc........from what I can gather. Also be aware that your graph shows figures using the "STD" correction factor, as opposed to the "SAE" correction factor. This results in a 1.2% increase over SAE numbers.
  8. Dyno Dan Husqvarna
    B Class

    Location:
    SW Montana
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    TR650 Terra
    Speaking of multiple runs on a 2008 KTM 690SMC......enjoy.

    [IMG]
  9. kjackbrown Keep on keepin on.

    Location:
    Fresno, Ca.
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    TR650 Terra
    Other Motorcycles:
    KLR650
    Im so anxious to hear these mufflers...I'm shaking! :applause:
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  10. Leo Fisher Cafe Husky - Contributing Member

    Location:
    Albuquerque, NM
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    TR 650
    Other Motorcycles:
    Ducati, Honda and Norton
    Thanks for the info and can't wait to see the TR in its new guise!
  11. Motosportz CH Sponsor

    Location:
    Vancouver WA
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    2021 TE250i, 570 Berg, 500 KTM, 790R
    Other Motorcycles:
    many

    Me too :D I am at a race this weekend but will be diving in the week after both on my 511 and TR650. Lots of stuff to mess with. Reports coming.
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  12. Tinken Husqvarna
    Pro Class

    Location:
    Hesperia, CA
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    MY12 WR511
    Other Motorcycles:
    Yamaha
    Which setup did Dynojet base their base map on, stock?
  13. kjackbrown Keep on keepin on.

    Location:
    Fresno, Ca.
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    TR650 Terra
    Other Motorcycles:
    KLR650
    So far they only had a totally stock bike to play with. As we mod our bikes, we can share the new maps (tuned either by dyno's or Autotune). My PCV arrives today and should be able to order the A/T in a few weeks.

    The only "performace"-ish mod I have done to my TR so far is removed the factory spark arresters (replaced with MUCH larger o.d. units) to get rid of the exhaust tweet and free up some flow. If anyone is interested, I can share the new map that the A/T creates.
  14. Tinken Husqvarna
    Pro Class

    Location:
    Hesperia, CA
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    MY12 WR511
    Other Motorcycles:
    Yamaha
    Remember that the autotune only tweaks within a 20% range of the original map. :)
  15. kjackbrown Keep on keepin on.

    Location:
    Fresno, Ca.
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    TR650 Terra
    Other Motorcycles:
    KLR650
    I thought that was true up until you saved the tweek to the PCV...then the A/T can go another 20% if needed (over and over).
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  16. Dyno Dan Husqvarna
    B Class

    Location:
    SW Montana
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    TR650 Terra
    Correct, you can commit the trim tables that the PCV / AT generates to your base map, and then take advantage of the +/-20% adjustment over and over. I like to tighten up the +/- to something around 5% once a solid base map is developed.
  17. kjackbrown Keep on keepin on.

    Location:
    Fresno, Ca.
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    TR650 Terra
    Other Motorcycles:
    KLR650
  18. Coffee CH Owner

    Location:
    Between homes - in ft Wayne IN
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    2006 TE250, 2013 TR650 Terra - sold
    General 'heads up': When I last worked on PCV/AT stuff, I recall the % of control the AT had was set at 20%, but that number could be changed to something smaller or larger.

    I set that adjustment to something larger (do not recall exact number) and when a test rider took a ride, he rode it off the trail, and the bike continued to run even though it was not right side up....

    Well the AT did it's job, and adjusted things so the bike barely ran in the right side up position. It actually took a while to start.

    Moral of the story: be careful how large you set that parameter (if it can still be adjusted).
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  19. kjackbrown Keep on keepin on.

    Location:
    Fresno, Ca.
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    TR650 Terra
    Other Motorcycles:
    KLR650
    Thanks for the heads up C :cheers:

    The PCV is configured to only allow the software to trim +/- 20% until you manually accept the trims. You can alter these limits in the Auto Tune configuration. The more the PCV learns the lower you can make this value. By lowering this value it will work as a safety net so if something should go wrong in the unit or bike it will not cause the bike to run poorly.
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  20. kjackbrown Keep on keepin on.

    Location:
    Fresno, Ca.
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    TR650 Terra
    Other Motorcycles:
    KLR650
    Just got a text from UPS...my PCV was delivered to my house just now! :banana: