i used to think that too. until my trusty 525 had a fan that started malfunctioning and kept on a tad longer than it should have which unbeknownst to me was draining the battery. On one particular ride the battery died because of it. I would love to think we no longer need a kicker but am not convinced
I'm with firecrotch...is it really that hard to leave the kickstarter gears/lever on a dirtbike....it's not like kickstarters are a new innovation
I believe Honda already has a Direct Injection 2-stroke, they simply haven't released it yet. I've heard this from a few good sources.
Honda had a patented DS bike called a CRM250AR 20 years ago that was a street legal EFI 250 2 stroke. I saw on in person, cool bike. I believe this ran without a spark plug like a diesel. Don't think it is a real DFI bike but they were working on this long ago. http://www.crm250.com/history.asp
I'm not surprised that Honda probably had this decades ago ... Go back and read about the 20K rpm 4t bikes they had in the 90s that they wanted to battle the 2t bikes with ... Most people have a hard time understanding the resources and mula these companies have at their disposal and no end in sight to that cash train...
Yep. Honda built an uber expensive oval piston 8 valve per cylinder race bike too. Good times WAY off topic, sorry.
YEP KELLY AND I HIJACKED IT GOOD NOW BACK TO SHERCO JUST UTUBED THE KNIGHTER AND HIS SHERCO SOUNDS LIKE HE'S DIGGIN THE SE 300I AND LOOKS TO BE FLAT HAULIN THE MAIL ON IT
Knight was at the Flexx Bars Ride and Slide today and he looked good on the Sherco. Then again, Brown looked good on his KTM, Graffunder was cutting a swath on his Husky, and Destry Abbott was holding a clinic with his Kawasaki ... What works for David Knight may not work for you - get out there and ride the bikes you've got on your prospective 'to buy' list, and then decide.
If you are on a longish ride from the truck, chances are you are not alone and that your buddy/-ies also have an e-start bike with a battery. So, if you have a set of motorcycle jumper cables in the group you can jump start it just like with a car. Also good to have in the bumbag is a cheap and small multimeter for basic fault-findig.
that honda with the controlled combustion process. the ar had another name here in the states, was never sold here as i remember. they brought several over to run in Baja, there is one at the honda museum in Torrance.
So I can carry extra stuff on me and make sure I have a riding buddy, all to make up for a simple kick starter? Airplanes have all kinds of redundant features, should we get rid of those just because we hardly use them?
Or just buy a different bike. Some care about a back up kicker some don't; we have options. I'm getting a new Sherco so I it's not stopping me from getting one. Do I wish it had a back up kicker....maybe.
I am not buying a Sherco in the near future but the lack of kickstarter is a non-issue for me. Chances are that if the 200amp alternator and YTZ7S battery goes dead trying to start the bike it isnt going to start no matter how much you kick it.
If your bat is dead on a modern EFI bike your not going anywhere anyway so all you have to worry about is the starter itself failing and they usually warn you before they go.
As a tech for 30 years I have to disagree with you on the "usually warn you" part. I wanted a Sherco 2 stroke but the lack of kick starter pushed me to Beta. Beta has also proved that so far they can pass the test with a carb on their 4 strokes which also has a kick starter. Mx has battery less FI and I can't see it being a problem to design a EFI system to start on a kicker for back up. I MHO taking a simple reliable thing like a dirt bike and making it complicated has created more problems than solutions. Forums are full of people complaining about FI issues.
This topic was covered on the Dirt Bike World forums in Australia and in the case of the Sherco it is NOT true. Guys with Sherco's have reported totally dead batteries ans the bike has fired up after just 2 kicks. Granted, there may be some EFI designs that will not work if the battery is dead as they probably don't have a capacitor to store sufficient charge to fire the bike up after 1 kick, but now days I believe that is more the exception than the norm.
There are several posts in the 610 forums about installing a $6 Radio Shack sourced capacitor that allows the 610 to run strickly off the Stator juice if the battery craps out....One poster video demos with No battery. I installed one on my EFI 08 next to the 2lb Moty Design battery..........so far, so good.........solo.
